<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where do the Nets rank offensively and defensively? Because it seems they're horrible at both.</div> 29th on offense, 28th defense, yikes
Just watched Franks postgame interview and honestly he knows what his talking about but he looks overwhelmed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 6 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where do the Nets rank offensively and defensively? Because it seems they're horrible at both.</div> 29th on offense, 28th defense, yikes </div> Now, how come we're not 28th 29th??? That's just disturbing **** We suck balls and doesn't have any shot at one of the first 3 picks...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Feb 6 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This team wont play with any energy until Kidd gets dealt in my honest opinion.</div> THE TRUTH! Fully agree with you, man. Kidd is cancer right now. Cancer!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no vince carter fan. that is not the only thing I type but it was the only thing you chose to respond to since it mention your Messiah. VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable. My post also pointed out how Kidd is just fine with this team being a .500 team as long as he gets paid. VC contract is stupid to me because your betting on a player to be the face of your franchise in 2010??? He is already on the decline where will he be in 2010. Now it wouldn't be stupid if the Nets were going to Brooklyn next year but since 2010 is the year it's stupid. So don't take my post as an attack at VC. It's one on this whole team mind frame. How it's about dollars and cents instead of wins and loses. That is why I asked "why should Thorn be embarrassed?" Management wanted a team that could make him money not give him wins.</div> No, Vince Carter Hater. Since Carter has been on the Nets he HAS given the Nets the chance to compete. He has often helped carry injury riddled Nets teams into the playoffs. And Carter is not on some rapid decline unless you believe the comments of Magic Johnson who also says the Knicks are going to make the playoffs this season. Carter is making 13 milion this season which is comparable to other swingmen in the leauge and the last year of his contract is a team option which tops out at 17.3 million. Tracy McGrady is making 19 million this season for comparison.
yeah but Tmac didnt just resign for that much. we foolishly resigned vc to a 60 mil contract when no team was offering anything that significant. when tmacs contract expires, he wont make more then 10 mil. vince should be making 9 mil
wow, glad my vcr didn't want to tape this game. just got in and watched the post game. frank said the team lacked mental toughness. rj: "that's just his opinion" hmm...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 6 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah but Tmac didnt just resign for that much. we foolishly resigned vc to a 60 mil contract when no team was offering anything that significant. when tmacs contract expires, he wont make more then 10 mil. vince should be making 9 mil</div> Tmac didn't resign for that much? What the hell are you talking about? And why do you keep using the no team was offering Carter that much argument? They couldn't low ball VC into a deal for 9 million a year. HE HAD A PLAYER OPTION. HE WOULDN'T HAVE OPTED OUT OF 16 MILLION TO TAKE 9 MILLION THIS YEAR. And if Vince should be making 9 million then what should guys like Ray Allen, Pierce, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Michael Redd etc be making?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no vince carter fan. that is not the only thing I type but it was the only thing you chose to respond to since it mention your Messiah. VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable. My post also pointed out how Kidd is just fine with this team being a .500 team as long as he gets paid. VC contract is stupid to me because your betting on a player to be the face of your franchise in 2010??? He is already on the decline where will he be in 2010. Now it wouldn't be stupid if the Nets were going to Brooklyn next year but since 2010 is the year it's stupid. So don't take my post as an attack at VC. It's one on this whole team mind frame. How it's about dollars and cents instead of wins and loses. That is why I asked "why should Thorn be embarrassed?" Management wanted a team that could make him money not give him wins.</div> No, Vince Carter Hater. Since Carter has been on the Nets he HAS given the Nets the chance to compete. He has often helped carry injury riddled Nets teams into the playoffs. And Carter is not on some rapid decline unless you believe the comments of Magic Johnson who also says the Knicks are going to make the playoffs this season. Carter is making 13 milion this season which is comparable to other swingmen in the leauge and the last year of his contract is a team option which tops out at 17.3 million. Tracy McGrady is making 19 million this season for comparison. </div> u still making this about Carter. LOL LOL LOL. Look I know you VC fans are dedicated and I know your hero has had more shots thrown at him than the prob any basketball player not name Kobe but my comment was not about Carter on the decline it was about the state of his contract and why he was signed. I didn't say rapid decline or bring up Magic but I see his words are still burning Ether in someone's soul. Well you know what Nasir Jones says how ether burns. Anyone who knows my post knows I never attack VC in fact I was the FIRST PERSON to say KIDD would do what he's doing now. I remember how people were attacking me saying it would never happen and now look at it. Anyway my point is I never attack VC personally or blame him. I always blame the leader. Kidd. I blamed Kidd since he said he didn't give a shit after the 2005 playoff I knew where his head was at. I knew Kidd was not loyal after the story RJ told on the Stephen A Smith show. So call me a VC hater cause I don't believe that VC contract was a good idea but remember this. The Nets are open to trading a player they just signed last summer. You think they still feel that contract was good idea. Yea I thought so. Have a Nice Day. don't be soo emotional. I said the contract was stupid and blamed the Nets mind frame not Carter.
reporter: "does the comment phil jackson made about you saying he's not playing hard, he's just playing, bother you? " vc: "who's that?"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u still making this about Carter. LOL LOL LOL. Look I know you VC fans are dedicated and I know your hero has had more shots thrown at him than the prob any basketball player not name Kobe but my comment was not about Carter on the decline it was about the state of his contract and why he was signed. I didn't say rapid decline or bring up Magic but I see his words are still burning Ether in someone's soul. Well you know what Nasir Jones says how ether burns. Anyone who knows my post knows I never attack VC in fact I was the FIRST PERSON to say KIDD would do what he's doing now. I remember how people were attacking me saying it would never happen and now look at it. Anyway my point is I never attack VC personally or blame him. I always blame the leader. Kidd. I blamed Kidd since he said he didn't give a shit after the 2005 playoff I knew where his head was at. I knew Kidd was not loyal after the story RJ told on the Stephen A Smith show. So call me a VC hater cause I don't believe that VC contract was a good idea but remember this. The Nets are open to trading a player they just signed last summer. You think they still feel that contract was good idea. Yea I thought so. Have a Nice Day. don't be soo emotional. I said the contract was stupid and blamed the Nets mind frame not Carter.</div> This is your original comment: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>why???? His team is not expecting to compete. Management wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they are getting paid what they want</div> Oh, right. That's not singling and taking a shot at Carter at all. Carter hasn't helped the Nets win and compete, they're just paying him for a couple of highlight plays here and there and put his face on a billboard. Please... Hilarious how you make these clear statements and then say how you weren't talking about that to begin with. Whatever...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 6 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah but Tmac didnt just resign for that much. we foolishly resigned vc to a 60 mil contract when no team was offering anything that significant. when tmacs contract expires, he wont make more then 10 mil. vince should be making 9 mil</div> Tmac didn't resign for that much? What the hell are you talking about? And why do you keep using the no team was offering Carter that much argument? They couldn't low ball VC into a deal for 9 million a year. HE HAD A PLAYER OPTION. HE WOULDN'T HAVE OPTED OUT OF 16 MILLION TO TAKE 9 MILLION THIS YEAR. And if Vince should be making 9 million then what should guys like Ray Allen, Pierce, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Michael Redd etc be making? </div> tmac is still on his contract from orlando where he was a scoring champ. if tmacs con. expired today, he would get no where near as much as he is making now. it'd be best if vc didnt opt out since he would have been an expiring contract whoch could have been traded for gasol. Pierce, Allen, JJ, Redd are all younger and better then VC
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u still making this about Carter. LOL LOL LOL. Look I know you VC fans are dedicated and I know your hero has had more shots thrown at him than the prob any basketball player not name Kobe but my comment was not about Carter on the decline it was about the state of his contract and why he was signed. I didn't say rapid decline or bring up Magic but I see his words are still burning Ether in someone's soul. Well you know what Nasir Jones says how ether burns. Anyone who knows my post knows I never attack VC in fact I was the FIRST PERSON to say KIDD would do what he's doing now. I remember how people were attacking me saying it would never happen and now look at it. Anyway my point is I never attack VC personally or blame him. I always blame the leader. Kidd. I blamed Kidd since he said he didn't give a shit after the 2005 playoff I knew where his head was at. I knew Kidd was not loyal after the story RJ told on the Stephen A Smith show. So call me a VC hater cause I don't believe that VC contract was a good idea but remember this. The Nets are open to trading a player they just signed last summer. You think they still feel that contract was good idea. Yea I thought so. Have a Nice Day. don't be soo emotional. I said the contract was stupid and blamed the Nets mind frame not Carter.</div> This is your original comment: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>why???? His team is not expecting to compete. Management wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they are getting paid what they want</div> Oh, right. That's not singling and taking a shot at Carter at all. Carter hasn't helped the Nets win and compete, they're just paying him for a couple of highlight plays here and there and put his face on a billboard. Please... Hilarious how you make these clear statements and then say how you weren't talking about that to begin with. Whatever... </div> Where did I say VC hasn't helped the nets compete and win. I said Thorn team is not expecting to compete. Then I blamed management saying they wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. Still haven't see where I attack VC. Then I said The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they get paid. Which was a shot at Kidd who went Drama Queen when his extension was turn down. So ummmmm where was I attacking VC or saying he doesn't compete or win games. Yea nice try. Don't worry I'm not nailing your Messiah to the cross
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u still making this about Carter. LOL LOL LOL. Look I know you VC fans are dedicated and I know your hero has had more shots thrown at him than the prob any basketball player not name Kobe but my comment was not about Carter on the decline it was about the state of his contract and why he was signed. I didn't say rapid decline or bring up Magic but I see his words are still burning Ether in someone's soul. Well you know what Nasir Jones says how ether burns. Anyone who knows my post knows I never attack VC in fact I was the FIRST PERSON to say KIDD would do what he's doing now. I remember how people were attacking me saying it would never happen and now look at it. Anyway my point is I never attack VC personally or blame him. I always blame the leader. Kidd. I blamed Kidd since he said he didn't give a shit after the 2005 playoff I knew where his head was at. I knew Kidd was not loyal after the story RJ told on the Stephen A Smith show. So call me a VC hater cause I don't believe that VC contract was a good idea but remember this. The Nets are open to trading a player they just signed last summer. You think they still feel that contract was good idea. Yea I thought so. Have a Nice Day. don't be soo emotional. I said the contract was stupid and blamed the Nets mind frame not Carter.</div> This is your original comment: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>why???? His team is not expecting to compete. Management wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they are getting paid what they want</div> Oh, right. That's not singling and taking a shot at Carter at all. Carter hasn't helped the Nets win and compete, they're just paying him for a couple of highlight plays here and there and put his face on a billboard. Please... Hilarious how you make these clear statements and then say how you weren't talking about that to begin with. Whatever... </div> Where did I say VC hasn't helped the nets compete and win. I said Thorn team is not expecting to compete. Then I blamed management saying they wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. Still haven't see where I attack VC. Then I said The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they get paid. Which was a shot at Kidd who went Drama Queen when his extension was turn down. So ummmmm where was I attacking VC or saying he doesn't compete or win games. Yea nice try. Don't worry I'm not nailing your Messiah to the cross </div> LOL, are you serious? Follow your logic here. You said Thorn doesn't expect the Nets to compete. He resigned Carter to a "stupid" contract. Thorn doesn't expect the Nets to compete. He signed Carter to a "stupid" contract. Geez, what possibly could you be saying here. Once again: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable.</div> How you want to spin it this time?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>tmac is still on his contract from orlando where he was a scoring champ. if tmacs con. expired today, he would get no where near as much as he is making now. it'd be best if vc didnt opt out since he would have been an expiring contract whoch could have been traded for gasol. Pierce, Allen, JJ, Redd are all younger and better then VC</div> Allen is not younger than VC. Pierce is about the same age. And all of them are around the same level in ability. But they all make more than VC this season. Should they all be making 9 million as well. And your whole argument about VC being overpaid is based on that they could have low balled VC.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u still making this about Carter. LOL LOL LOL. Look I know you VC fans are dedicated and I know your hero has had more shots thrown at him than the prob any basketball player not name Kobe but my comment was not about Carter on the decline it was about the state of his contract and why he was signed. I didn't say rapid decline or bring up Magic but I see his words are still burning Ether in someone's soul. Well you know what Nasir Jones says how ether burns. Anyone who knows my post knows I never attack VC in fact I was the FIRST PERSON to say KIDD would do what he's doing now. I remember how people were attacking me saying it would never happen and now look at it. Anyway my point is I never attack VC personally or blame him. I always blame the leader. Kidd. I blamed Kidd since he said he didn't give a shit after the 2005 playoff I knew where his head was at. I knew Kidd was not loyal after the story RJ told on the Stephen A Smith show. So call me a VC hater cause I don't believe that VC contract was a good idea but remember this. The Nets are open to trading a player they just signed last summer. You think they still feel that contract was good idea. Yea I thought so. Have a Nice Day. don't be soo emotional. I said the contract was stupid and blamed the Nets mind frame not Carter.</div> This is your original comment: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>why???? His team is not expecting to compete. Management wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they are getting paid what they want</div> Oh, right. That's not singling and taking a shot at Carter at all. Carter hasn't helped the Nets win and compete, they're just paying him for a couple of highlight plays here and there and put his face on a billboard. Please... Hilarious how you make these clear statements and then say how you weren't talking about that to begin with. Whatever... </div> Where did I say VC hasn't helped the nets compete and win. I said Thorn team is not expecting to compete. Then I blamed management saying they wanted to sign VC to that stupid contract. Still haven't see where I attack VC. Then I said The Nets players are okay with how things are going as long as they get paid. Which was a shot at Kidd who went Drama Queen when his extension was turn down. So ummmmm where was I attacking VC or saying he doesn't compete or win games. Yea nice try. Don't worry I'm not nailing your Messiah to the cross </div> LOL, are you serious? Follow your logic here. You said Thorn doesn't expect the Nets to compete. He resigned Carter to a "stupid" contract. Thorn doesn't expect the Nets to compete. He signed Carter to a "stupid" contract. Geez, what possibly could you be saying here. Once again: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable.</div> How you want to spin it this time? </div> ummm management. Who I mention in my first response and who I blamed along with Kidd. It's okay I know your emotional right now and not familiar with my posts but I'm one of the few guys who don't attack your Messiah. Now I didn't say VC doesn't compete or win games but does signing VC help the Nets compete for a ring? Does signing VC help the Nets become one of the elite teams in the East? Does signing VC help the Nets finally get out the second round. In articles it's been reported that Thorn didn't want to do the deal but Management did. Now someone in the front office must agree because they are open to trading a player who they signed a couple months ago. My only beef with the contract is the length. Now am I blaming VC for signing? Hell no who is going to turn down money. I blame management for signing a player to a deal and after a couple months are ready to trade him?!?!?! What the F? What did you sign him for? Same thing with the Suns your trade K Thomas to save money but you trade for Shaq???? See your looking at this close minded because all you see is someone attacking your hero, messiah, the reason you draw breath. I know this is bigger than Carter. I never blame soldiers for how a battle ends. I blame the Generals who lead the soldiers. Why my post usually single out kidd and management.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ummm management. Who I mention in my first response and who I blamed along with Kidd. It's okay I know your emotional right now and not familiar with my posts but I'm one of the few guys who don't attack your Messiah. Now I didn't say VC doesn't compete or win games but does signing VC help the Nets compete for a ring? Does signing VC help the Nets become one of the elite teams in the East? Does signing VC help the Nets finally get out the second round. In articles it's been reported that Thorn didn't want to do the deal but Management did. Now someone in the front office must agree because they are open to trading a player who they signed a couple months ago. My only beef with the contract is the length. Now am I blaming VC for signing? Hell no who is going to turn down money. I blame management for signing a player to a deal and after a couple months are ready to trade him?!?!?!</div> Dude, you're not even familiar with your own posts. Case is in point again: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Now I didn't say VC doesn't compete or win games</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable.</div> And who instead of VC should they have signed that would have put them over the top to a championship team? And the front office is open to trading everyone this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 6 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 6 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ummm management. Who I mention in my first response and who I blamed along with Kidd. It's okay I know your emotional right now and not familiar with my posts but I'm one of the few guys who don't attack your Messiah. Now I didn't say VC doesn't compete or win games but does signing VC help the Nets compete for a ring? Does signing VC help the Nets become one of the elite teams in the East? Does signing VC help the Nets finally get out the second round. In articles it's been reported that Thorn didn't want to do the deal but Management did. Now someone in the front office must agree because they are open to trading a player who they signed a couple months ago. My only beef with the contract is the length. Now am I blaming VC for signing? Hell no who is going to turn down money. I blame management for signing a player to a deal and after a couple months are ready to trade him?!?!?!</div> Dude, you're not even familiar with your own posts. Case is in point again: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Now I didn't say VC doesn't compete or win games</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC contract is flawed because it was done not because they felt VC gave them the best chance to compete but because they felt he was more marketable.</div> And who instead of VC should they have signed that would have put them over the top to a championship team? And the front office is open to trading everyone this season. </div> where did I say VC doesn't compete or win games you quote me on that I'll shut up. Yea they are open to trading everyone now. Which again proves my point the contract was flawed and it shows how flawed the contract is when their is little to no interest in the player due to his contract. but I'm done here you have yet to quote me saying exactly VC doesn't compete or win games. I want a quote of me saying VC contract is stupid because he can't compete or win us games. I said his contract is stupid because it was done because they wanted him to be the face of the franchise and for money. Now I'm not going to get in an argument about who they shoulda signed. All that will turn to is you crying or babblin about how VC is better or equal to this player. I stated my opinion and I stand by it. Until you post me actually saying VC doesn't compete or win games you have lost this debate. You also lost this debate because The Nets also acknowledge how stupid this deal was and are trying to get rid of it now but it's okay to live in denial and feel everyone hates VC. We know you been infected with Vincsanity since 1998. I see Vincsanity affects rational thinking and makes the average person emotional
