Gun Control

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 17 2007, 07:39 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>It's bull in that there will never be no guns. There will always be guns, you give some person the right materials and you got yourself a gun. And with gun control, it still doesn't stop such things as happening. There are ways to getting around gun control. And sh*t like this shooting will continue to happen. People just need to realize that.</div>I never said there would ever be a situation with no guns, but by banning guns then you would begin to see a severe drop off in murders and gun crime. You can get guns in the UK too, but with them being illegal its a lot harder and you see them used less.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I never said there would ever be a situation with no guns</div>I know you didn't, I did.

 

That's besides the point. But, at least making guns illegal or making it more strict to get one, we may catch some people trying to get guns illegally which would at least prevent some killings (could be me, or you)...

 

Drugs are illegal, yet the drug problem in this country is rediculas. Drugs still get passed ICE, they still make they way onto the streets, and drug users still get them. if Guns were to be banned, we'd see the exact same thing. the black market for them would cause them to still be entered into our country, and they'd still be a problem. I agree that we need to get the illegal guns off the street, because those are the guns which cause problems. the people who hunt, and use their weapons for protection do not buy black market guns because those usually come with a bad history, and those people who hunt usually want the top notched in weaponary, you're not going to get that in a gun you buy off the street usually.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Apr 17 2007, 08:52 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>if Guns were to be banned, we'd see the exact same thing. the black market for them would cause them to still be entered into our country, and they'd still be a problem.</div>Then please tell me why there are not as many gun murders in countries that they are illegal in?Of course there would still be a problem but it would be drastically reduced.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 17 2007, 02:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Then please tell me why there are not as many gun murders in countries that they are illegal in?</div> I'm guessing most of the countries your referring to are European countries. I'll be willing to bet that they don't have half of our population of poor/violent minorities....which here are a majoy percentage of crime. I'll be willing to bet most of the European countries don't have anything close to our gang problems, also mainly involving minorities. Obviously gun murders would be lowered with those kind of gun laws in the US....but I think we have more of a problem to begin with than those countries.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Then please tell me why there are not as many gun murders in countries that they are illegal in?Of course there would still be a problem but it would be drastically reduced.</div>Many of those countries are small so their borders are easier to secure, others also don't report the correct number of violent homicides that take place in their country. France and Spain are both guilty of doctoring their crime statistics, I remember about 12 years ago there was a huge uproar about it in France. Those countries also don't have the assclown members of the media like we do in the US, who report every little thing weather it's important or not. than there is the population differnce. the US has over 300 million people, third to Chinas 2 billion and Indians 1 1/2 billion(Just so you know I'm rounding these numbers). With that many people you're going to have much more crime. China is a totaltarian state which pretty much has an iron grip on it's citizens, which does prevent a lot of the violence; but I don't think thats a fair trade off. India is ravaged with crime, it just doesn't get the news coverage that crime does in the US.

 

Look at the facts.

As of 2000, Florida ranked #4 in population but ranked #21 in suicides. Since the right-to-carry law was enacted in Florida the following changes occured. The homicide rate dropped 36%, firearm homicides dropped 37%, and handgun homicides dropped 41%. In the ten states that adopted right-to-carry laws the results were: * "no change in the suicide rate * a 0.5% rise in accidental firearm deaths * 5% decline in rapes * 7% decline in aggravated assaults * 8% decline in murder and * 845 fewer multiple victim public shootings.."[/quote]

 

I don't know of anyone, EVER, who has used a gun to protect their own lives.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Apr 16 2007, 12:40 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>Oh bullcrap. This isn't a gun issue. It's why the H-E Double hockey sticks was there no precautionary measures after the first killing?"Okay, there is someone dead and the killer is on the loose. Should we issue a lockdown?""No, I don't think so. Let's just continue like normal and maybe he'll go away."And wouldn't you think if teachers were allowed to have a gun in the classroom, that they could have taken out this animal before so many died?Dennis Prager said it best.</div>It is a gun issue...would he get 31 people with a knife...? No. Maybe 2.I feel bad. It's like starting this thread made it happen just to prove a point.Edit: Nevermind. I didn't have cable yesterday so I'm way behind and won't bother with this. But if there was gun control I doubt students at schools would get guns so easily. I don't think Columbine or VT would've happened with those laws or else it would have been limited.And with gun control laws you wouldn't have to worry about the high school gangstas pulling out their daddy's gun if you look at them funny. What a coincidence, there's a bomb or shooting threat at our school on Friday. It was all over the news. Should be fun.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 17 2007, 08:16 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>It is a gun issue...would he get 31 people with a knife...? No. Maybe 2.I feel bad. It's like starting this thread made it happen just to prove a point.Edit: Nevermind. I didn't have cable yesterday so I'm way behind and won't bother with this. But if there was gun control I doubt students at schools would get guns so easily. I don't think Columbine or VT would've happened with those laws or else it would have been limited.And with gun control laws you wouldn't have to worry about the high school gangstas pulling out their daddy's gun if you look at them funny. What a coincidence, there's a bomb or shooting threat at our school on Friday. It was all over the news. Should be fun.</div>Gun control would do crap here. A college kid, perfect record, had ID, did a background check. Maybe he would have to wait 5 more days. Big whoop.Did you even read the above facts on gun control?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Apr 17 2007, 06:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know of anyone, EVER, who has used a gun to protect their own lives.</div>And you are the all powerful knower? I could dig up countless articles of self-defense.

 

Well if you could get a gun anyway with a clean record then why are you against gun control?

 

If you take away guns, people are still going to use them. Drugs are illegal, people use them.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 17 2007, 07:47 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>Well if you could get a gun anyway with a clean record then why are you against gun control?</div>Slam the hammer down. What ARE you hiding, captain?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Apr 17 2007, 10:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you take away guns, people are still going to use them. Drugs are illegal, people use them.</div>That's why it's called CONTROL. So LESS people use them. I'm sure thousands more americans would do pot everyday if there wasn't a chance they'd get nailed by the law.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 17 2007, 09:47 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>Well if you could get a gun anyway with a clean record then why are you against gun control?</div>I'm not totally.I like harsher penalties.A waiting period wouldn't be so bad.I want better background checks.I just don't like the extreme parts of it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 18 2007, 01:30 AM) </div><div class='quotemain'>That's why it's called CONTROL. So LESS people use them. I'm sure thousands more americans would do pot everyday if there wasn't a chance they'd get nailed by the law.</div>If someone is going to use the guns for harm they're willing to get their guns off the black market. Accidents are usually cause by hunters or people using them for protection with good enough backgrounds.Even with gun control it will not do anything.

 

Why can't we live in a world without guns and war?

Think thousands of years ago, when there was no technology and there was no war. I'm not talking about the dark ages when there were swords and shields, I mean WAY back. Why can't we go back to living like that? It was a much simpler time without all this mass genocide and war that kill so many. There was no school but they obviously didn't all die out, where else did we come from? They learned everything from life, not a learning institution that takes up so much of precious childhood. Just think, we don't need all this technology. Sure, we couldn't sit around all day wasting away our lives working for some company, wishing that we could be doing what we wanted. Or, we could actually live without a government and live a life of our own, hunting for our own food and REALLY providing for our families. Sometimes, I hope the bombs finally do drop, and we could emerge from the smoke without a government, a need to band together to survive, and a new start. No guns, no war, just think how wonderful it would be. I'm not saying that an object is inherently good or bad, it is just how it is used. A gun could be used to kill a dictator like Hitler, however, it could be used to kill an innocent family in their own home. Honestly tell me you wouldn't want to live in a place like that. We don't need technology that can take us to space. This is our home, not somewhere way out there. If, say, the planet gets struck by a huge ball of rock speeding through space, so be it. Although, I'm surprised it hasn't happened anywhere close to our lifetimes. Another thing that would be extremely well to get rid of is religion. At first glance it seems harmless, but when look at closer, we can see horrific events like the Crusades, 9/11, the list goes on. I'm not saying religion is bad, but the extremists take it much too far. It can also cause polarization such as in India when Gandhi was trying to gain independence from the British. In the end he got his independence but the Muslims and Hindus couldn't stop fighting, so it was split up and they have nuclear weapons of mass destruction aimed at each other. So what I'm really trying to say is, why can't we live in a world without governments, religion, weapons, or anything else except the basic necessities?

 

Is this a real debate?

I had a hard time reading this thread as it seems the quote function didn't seem to be working properly.

However, I will go bury an AK47 in my back yard. You guys let the retards round up all the rest of the guns in this country and see what happens. I will be KING OF THE WORLD!!!!!

Just put cameras everywhere, including in your own house. We have the technology, I mean if the entire goal of civilization is to preserve every human life just put big brother in charge full time.

This is almost as retarded as Obama wanting to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Ain't gonna happen chief. The last country with nukes will be the last country in charge. If Iran had one and nobody else did, they would have to redefine the holocaust and the word genocide just to be able to show how much worse Iran could do it.