hahaha Bush says he doesn't believe in the Bible, does believe in evolution

spouting cult-speak christian dogma just makes my point for me.

not god in the generic sense, no. but your belief in the literal historicity of the OT closely parallels a child's belief in santa. both are delusions brought on entirely by upbringing and/or other traditional cultural influences, and both have been scientifically disproven on equal grounds.

the earth is ~4.5 billion years old and humans evolved from previously existing species. there is mountains of objective supporting evidence for those things, all trasparent and publicly available, and the majority of educated people world-wide accept them as fact. to reject them on grounds of religious dogma is just stubbord and egocentric.

how is that not circular lol?

your reasons for belief don't seem to require objective evidence, so how could somebody possibly disprove your belief to you?

science is the LEAST dubious method humans have ever invented for determining truth of a practical objective nature about anything. it has no intrinsic goal, makes no absolute statements, and is entirely self-policing. scientific truth is the opposite of faith-based "truth".

not sure what you mean by secular philosophies. most people's reasons for disbelief in the bible have little to do with philosophy.

 

I don't mind hearing it, it just seems capricious and not rational or in keeping with the concepts of love, compassion and wisdom that are generally ascribed by Christians to god. If there were a god, I feel pretty sure it would be rational.

The entire system of creating a sinful species, wanting to wipe them out for being exactly as created, wiping out their sin (through Jesus Christ) but only for those who believe in an entity that chooses to provide no evidence...the whole thing seems amazingly random and irrational.

If it were true, it only leads to a conclusion that god wants to see, and reward those, who will act randomly and punish those who won't.

Why relay "the message" when you agree with me that no one, including you, will or should believe in a god without an experiential calling? Why would a god want you to relay word when it's created a species that tends not to believe unless they experience something directly?

Doesn't all this seem a tad contradictory? Does god discourage use of rationality, that it supposedly endowed us with?

 

It absolutely does not. That in fact is your interpretation.

Nope, this comes from the mouths of Christians, just as convinced as you are

The book of the bible that is used by hate-filled-Christians against homosexuals says far more about your diet and woman's vagina blood than it does about homosexuality. Of course hate-filled-Christians claim all those other things don't matter, it was part of Jesus' New Deal, but somehow homosexuality is still the worst thing in the world. It's no longer eating grapes, which that books claims as an unholy evil.

That's your individual interpretation.

 

Is that what Jesus would say to me?

EVERYBODY LOOK, THIS IS WHAT A HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIAN LOOKS LIKE!!!

If you were just a normal person you could get away with this. But no, you choose to claim holiness. You choose to claim a spot above others. You say sinners should live like you. Yet here you show the evil within you. You show your disbelief. You show that your faith is nothing but a front. You are every bit the stereotypical hypocrite.

I shall not dare challenge your knowledge of the bible, but your claim to know with certainty my knowledge of the bible. Wow. What a hateful example you show. Thank you for showing me Christ through you.

 

what's your explanation for religious demographics? god hates people from the eastern hemisphere?

 

Seriously, this is 1000% ARROGANCE. You've been exposed. You're Christianity is a fraud. Admit it, your faith is a fraud. Admit it. admit it, you know it's true.

 

God hates people he hasn't had his people kill yet. That's what the spreading of Christianity comes down to. Plain and simple, you were killed or tortured and killed or converted. That's why Christians hate Muslims so much. It reminds people of how the Christians came to be.

 

And thus, the core problem of Christians and Christianity is summed up perfectly by BFW.

 

Yet, god created mankind as sinners. Why? Doesn't that seem a bit schizophrenic?

Didn't Jesus die to expiate the "original sin" of all people? Why should belief in Christ matter?

And isn't encouraging belief in Christ over actually being a good person actually working against god's own hatred of sin? It seems god hates non-believers more than it hates sin and sinners, doesn't it?

 

you weren't called to believe the earth is 7000 years old. a literal interpretation of genesis is obviously the result of cultural/peer influence. that's what i'm equating to belief in santa.

if you were called to christianity in general entirely without cultural influence good for you, but you're in a very small minority. religious demographics is all the evidence necessary to demonstrate that religious belief stems entirely from cutlural influence for most people.

wrong. by 1920 most scientists working in related fields believed it was false, and no scientist ever believed it was demonstratable fact. sounds like creationist anti-science propaganda.

you mean most non-scientists going on media hype believed it. science in general was much more pragmatic and there was never any scientific concensus any scientist would refer to as factual on the level of evolution or the age of the earth. still isn't.

the age of the earth and evolution are not the "best thing we have to go by at this time". they are practical truths supported by evidence so compelling that it's no different than the evidence that leads us to believe the earth revolves around the sun.

not sure what the hell you're talking about with gravity, but a 4.5 billion year old earth has reached all reasonable requirements for scientific truth, as has that evolution occured.

at some point in their lives most people end up being more mature than that in their reasoning.

 

You have a misunderstanding of what rationality is. I was talking about history, you're using your imagination to create some sort of metaphor between recent history and stories from the bible.

You're thinking in black and white, I'm thinking in color.

 

Like Jesus said: Believe in me.

I believe in me.