OT Hard to have a debate when the information is being skewed

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  1. H.C.

    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    Dude, I don't have to research anything.
    I asked you to clarify your statement because it sounded like you were blaming school shootings on gang violence.
    If you can't see how I was giving YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX YOUR STATEMENT.
    Then I see no reason to click anything or read anything else you type.
     
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    Keep up the good work river.
     
  3. calvin natt

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    Ur right. Fuck it. Let’s do nothing.
     
  4. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Your Constitution doesn't let me. :dunno:
     
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    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I'm not positive of that, Calvin Natt, b/c I rarely hear about shootings in Compton, South Side of CHI, Baltimore, etc...though I know they still happen. :dunno:
    Nate, the media has stopped with a lot of their coverage. There's an agenda to having school shootings on the news, and why they want to keep bombarding you with it.
     
  6. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That sounds a little conspiratorial. I think it is simpler than that. School shootings, people think "that could have been my kid!". Gangland shootings, most people think "my kid is a good kid and not a gangbanger". So the TV audience is more interested in school shootings, and that drives the coverage.

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    Ha! I wanted to just like that post, but dang, I just can't keep likin your posts.
    I just said, quit liking Brian's posts! It will cost him credits.

    What is the phrase of that restriction? Posse something?
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think it was "grab em by the posse"

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  9. BrianFromWA

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    Posse comitatus.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

    Military members who assisted in stopping crimes or acting like policemen in general during Katrina and in Alabama in 2009 (in the wiki article above) got in trouble because the military is not supposed to perform any law enforcement duties in the US:
     
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    No barf, wrong again it was the Comitatus.
    Can you check the spelling for me, I get a red line.
     
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    Mass school shootings. Not the Chicago Baltimore stuff.
     
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    more than likely, your school budget won't let you....
     
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    No, posse comitatus is the law (stated above). And the DoD Directives for "gun-free zones" were quoted in the other thread. Literally cannot be done with today's laws.

    To your school budget point, I would humbly submit that, with 300M or so guns in America, we don't need to buy every teacher one. I think just removing the "gun-free zone" limitations would go a long way. If you were Nicolas Cruz and weren't sure who was armed and who wasn't, rather than knowing that no one was armed...? But even if we did, would a small tax on sports boosters and revenue and fundraisers more than cover the costs of outfitting, licensing and training people if, for whatever reason, you didn't want Coach Smith carrying his own weapon around all day?

    I was the HS Treasurer in 1994 and know how much money was coming through the school's coffers. Maybe it's gone up or down a bit since then, but I know the ROM. And I know how much Glocks, AR-15s, PPKs, and other weapons cost. And I'm positive that you guys aren't telling me that we can't protect kids in schools because it's too expensive--there's some other philosophy at work (not good or bad, just different, like your Taipei example).
     
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    In Oregon they can barely keep a full school year funded as it is...I'm telling you that schools are struggling to fund educational programs let alone security...and for most of my life...it just simply wasn't necessary to guard schools, movie theaters, churches, discos, etc.....I just simply don't think our weapons policies are working here in the states. I don't think guns stop gun problems in civilian institutions....banks have armed guards and still get robbed
     
  15. Denny Crane

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    It really does hit the OP point about hard to have a debate when the information is being skewed.
     
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    I think what goes missing is having a conversation about a subject that doesn't require debating the subject but rather addressing it ...we all are guided by whatever information out there supports our views and values....would be refreshing to discuss gun control for example without being constantly confronted for one's ideals....brian is really good and having the conversation without disregarding the views of others...most here are not though...personally I don't think the media has a conspiracy to report a high school massacre just to prop up an anti gun agenda.....all tragedies of that magnitude get ink...always have. I'm sick of the #fakenews defense...would rather hear people's own logic in discussions rather than partisan name calling. When I worked in communications during the Nixon regime....official news was skewed all the time...anything that made Nixon look better was the rule of the propaganda..like we're winning the war....
     
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    I hear this all the time, not enough money. I know for fact that the Corvallis school board, three years ago, had a budget of 12700 per child. I know they sold a property that the board had agreed upon for roughly 500K that had a value of 1.75M. When the board started getting heat, they had the local tax assessor come and change the official value to what they sold it for.

    That year before they had a 300K balance in their budget, so the board voted to buy Ipads for students, against the advice of other districts that gave evidence that the product was easy to hack and the kids would easily have access to porn etc. In fact before they made the purchase an local IT guy showed the board how easy it was to hack. Still they spent the excess balance on the pad, and signed a 1.3 million service contract with the provider.

    In both instances local citizens tried to hold the board accountable, and in both cases there was no law that stated that the school board had to put excess properties up for bid like the state, or had to show a program valid

    With this type of waste, we could easily pay for securing our schools. Lock them down, and make sure access was checked through like any sporting event, concert or access to government officials
     
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    I don’t doubt any of this. So much waste. My mother in law works for a school district and the stories of even just small amounts of literal waste of funds is infuriating. But until we get a grip on waste there really isn’t money. There could be - but there isn’t.
     
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    The war on drugs may have cut usage in half. Is that a success? Probably at least to a degree. Was it money well spent? I think not at all.
     
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    Here is the deal. There is money. The problem is that the system is set that you only get what you spend, plus any budget increase. Had the district not spent the 300K, they would have lost it for the next year.
     

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