Hardaway...No Longer a Fan

I suggest we avoid the tangent into the Duke and Kobe cases.

This is a case of freedom of speech. Hardaway wants to express his bigoted views, that's his right. But be prepared to suffer the consequences of public ridicule. That's it. There's no crime here.

 

<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I suggest we avoid the tangent into the Duke and Kobe cases.

This is a case of freedom of speech. Hardaway wants to express his bigoted views, that's his right. But be prepared to suffer the consequences of public ridicule. That's it. There's no crime here.</div>

Ah you're right...

 

Even if it was a prostiture that Kobe raped. Her history doesnt come into play when a woman says No..... it is a violation of her body..... she has the right to say no.....even in mid stroke a woman can say No.... and it can be construed as rape if a man continues.

It comes down to her word vs his.... and clearly as you stated Kobe has his own skeletons in his closet he wanted buried...that is why he paid her off. So why was she the skank accuser who cant be believed? why should we believe Kobe's word? he had his "girlfriends and others no doubt" as well. One is no better than the other. Kobe is a skank too and covered it up.

I know you are a laker fan with the rose tinted glasses that no laker can do wrong.

So i ask you ...why should we believe Kobe who has just as questionable history as this woman accuser? Why should we believe him? because he is a laker? a pro athlete? why?

I believe he is a rapist and paid her off to make it all go away. You question her character, I question his. I believe Kobe should be paying for his crimes against her and not getting paid to play a game.

 

First, I want to say that this tangent is much more interesting than the same ol' Hardaway bashing that has been occuring as of late. Let it run its course.

<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Even if it was a prostiture that Kobe raped. Her history doesnt come into play when a woman says No..... it is a violation of her body..... she has the right to say no.....even in mid stroke a woman can say No.... and it can be construed as rape if a man continues. </div>

You don't even know the facts of this case. There are witnesses that saw her brag about Kobe after the "rape". I don't know any rape victims that have sex with other people within 24 hours of the incident either. Also, how many friends of yours want to write a book about your lying ways? That rape kit exam was very telling as well.

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It comes down to her word vs his....</div>

No it does not, you didn't read my previous post. She also DROPPED the charges, but not in the civil case... Hmm... Proving one's case in a civil court is much easier and one gets money.

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and clearly as you stated Kobe has his own skeletons in his closet he wanted buried...that is why he paid her off. So why was she the skank accuser who cant be believed? why should we believe Kobe's word? he had his "girlfriends and others no doubt" as well. One is no better than the other. Kobe is a skank too and covered it up.</div>

MJ is a skank, so your point is? A skank doesn't deserve to go to jail.

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I know you are a laker fan with the rose tinted glasses that no laker can do wrong.</div>

I was reporting the news to you, not giving you my opinion in the last post, fellow.

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So i ask you ...why should we believe Kobe who has just as questionable history as this woman accuser? Why should we believe him? because he is a laker? a pro athlete? why?</div>

How does Kobe have just as questionable a history as her before the rape trial (she also wanted to commit suicide in her past, which I didn't mention because it wasn't necessary, but obviously points out that she is a troubled person)? This is a hilarious remark.

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I believe he is a rapist and paid her off to make it all go away. You question her character, I question his. I believe Kobe should be paying for his crimes against her and not getting paid to play a game.</div>

Based off what? What information did you acquire from the case that was so convincing? This is just a pretext to bash him. You have no good reason, you just took a stand on the case and refuse to budge (like Nyfong). How truly knowledgeable were you of this case? I bet you didn't even know half the stuff I wrote about in my last post. It was a very dubious case. Reading about "groupie" sex I've heard the stories of women threatening rape if they don't get what they desire (money, a relationship, or more attention) from the pro athlete they had intercourse with. Due to the circumstances I've written about, this appears to be the issue.

 

You know girls have lied about that kind of stuff before... Remember Anita Hill and the Clarence Thomas case? Not exactly the same crime accusation, but a false one nonetheless and she made the whole crap up. But they always believe the woman. Clarence Thomas almost had his reputation ruined until she came clean.

 

You don't know the facts either, Pal. Only what you choose to believe from what you have read. I have read reports contrary to what you say. And i choose to believe those. Unless you were part of the defense team or a member of Kobe's family or friends( and i wouldnt believe a word Kobe says based on his character).

Why is writing a book so strange, look at the Simpson case nearly every one involved has tried to cash in with a book.

No kidding, why were the charges dropped? because Kobe paid her off and that was a condition of her getting her pay off. Just like OJ, Kobe would have been found guilty and would be liable for a huge pay day for her. The difference Oj was stubborn and refused to try for a settlement and still refuses to pay and Kobe's steamrolled her into taking a pay off. Again nothing strange to this.

My point was that Kobe's character is clearly questionable with his adulteress lifestyle, so how is he any better than her. So she does many guys, big deal at least she isnt married and cheating on her spouse doing it.
Waht does MJ have to do with anything?

No, you were reporting your version of what you believe to be the facts, which is in reality an opinion, Pal.

Just because a woman is troubled, keep in mind she is quite young and wanting to committ suicide is not taht rare, actually attemtping is a bit different than talking about it.... but you have to be kidding me.... you are saying a girl who is exploring life at a young age and sleeping with multi partners is worse than a scumbag that is an adultress cheating on his wife... amazing.

Kobe is the clearly troubled person here forcing himself on a young girl, raping her, then paying her off so the rest of his scubag history doesnt come out, so he can continue to made the big bucks in a sport in which he should behind bars playing it. Kobe is so fake, funny how he suddenly got tats after that whole thing came out about how he grew up pampered and he was trying to get street cred. He is a joke.

I believe Kobe is guilty and a rapist, and is fortunate he was the ability to pay this girl off and keep it all quiet. Based on all that i have read, the interviews and specials i watched on the case during the time. I am sure i am just as privy to the facts as you are, Pal

 

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you are saying a girl who is exploring life at a young age and sleeping with multi partners is worse than a scumbag that is an adultress cheating on his wife... amazing.</div>

Wtf was this btw? Do you know how many ballers cheat on their wives? Lol. You shouldn't be shocked, that's ridiculous. I also don't ever hear people call MJ a scumbag for all the girls he had sex with (which is why I brought him up), nor does it matter to the media. The "facts" are that she absolutely lost this case.

<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You don't know the facts either, Pal. Only what you choose to believe from what you have read. I have read reports contrary to what you say. And i choose to believe those. Unless you were part of the defense team or a member of Kobe's family or friends( and i wouldnt believe a word Kobe says based on his character).

Why is writing a book so strange, look at the Simpson case nearly every one involved has tried to cash in with a book.

No kidding, why were the charges dropped? because Kobe paid her off and that was a condition of her getting her pay off. Just like OJ, Kobe would have been found guilty and would be liable for a huge pay day for her. The difference Oj was stubborn and refused to try for a settlement and still refuses to pay and Kobe's steamrolled her into taking a pay off. Again nothing strange to this.

My point was that Kobe's character is clearly questionable with his adulteress lifestyle, so how is he any better than her. So she does many guys, big deal at least she isnt married and cheating on her spouse doing it.
Waht does MJ have to do with anything?

No, you were reporting your version of what you believe to be the facts, which is in reality an opinion, Pal.

Just because a woman is troubled, keep in mind she is quite young and wanting to committ suicide is not taht rare, actually attemtping is a bit different than talking about it.... but you have to be kidding me.... you are saying a girl who is exploring life at a young age and sleeping with multi partners is worse than a scumbag that is an adultress cheating on his wife... amazing.

Kobe is the clearly troubled person here forcing himself on a young girl, raping her, then paying her off so the rest of his scubag history doesnt come out, so he can continue to made the big bucks in a sport in which he should behind bars playing it. Kobe is so fake, funny how he suddenly got tats after that whole thing came out about how he grew up pampered and he was trying to get street cred. He is a joke.

I believe Kobe is guilty and a rapist, and is fortunate he was the ability to pay this girl off and keep it all quiet. Based on all that i have read, the interviews and specials i watched on the case during the time. I am sure i am just as privy to the facts as you are, Pal</div>

If you think Kobe has just as questionable a history as her (before the rape case) then you're crazy. The girl tried to kill herself. What does it matter how crappy a guy Kobe is anyway? The girl had sex less than a day after she is "raped", that certainly is not normal. Her promiscuous nature after this "event" is quite revealing.

Ok this is a waste of time, but I was not reporting my opinion to you. It's a fact what I said about the rape kit exam, her sex after and before the rape (I saw John Stossel interview the guy she had sex with), and such. How can you throw away these dubious circumstances by saying "OJ this and that"? You never bring up any facts of the case, it certainly doesn't seem like you know any details at all. Face it, the girl behaved awkwardly for a rape victim, she seems to have sex with many strangers, and she dropped the charges because she knows she had little on him. Shapecity put the nail in the coffin anyway. She was going to run to "20/20" any second without that gag order.

 

Kobe's still a lil' bitch

edit: j/k

 

It surely is a women's world nowadays where any woman can just cry rape when they are feeling vengeful or want to get some money from a rich man. The way women were treated pre-feminist movement was awful, but its getting to be ridiculous how women seem to have more rights than men these days. A double standard certainly exists here.