Harkless is back

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Was this a good deal?

  1. Yes

    79 vote(s)
    94.0%
  2. No

    5 vote(s)
    6.0%
  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    I also find it interesting that our attitudes toward players can change so dramatically based on their contracts. This topic always reminds me of the Greg Ostertag situation for the Jazz. One year he was a fan favorite on the local radio shows, the next year they wanted him run out of town, even though his play was exactly the same. The one difference... his larger paycheck.
     
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    With that said, a bigger contract always comes with bigger expectations. Not just in sports. MY boss will come in my office once in a while and say hey.. Ive done this for ya. Here is a raise. Here is a bonus. Now lets step it up.

    Would you expect the same sloppy big mac if you knew every employee there had a 6 figure salary? I sure as hell would expect more, regardless of whether they raised the price of the big mac or not.
     
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    I voted no also, right off the bat. Only because I was upset it took this long. We needed to pay him because the guy can play D. 3 and D? Who cares. He is a smart defender. If there is a surprise 6th man on our team, I would argue that it is Maurice Harkless.

    Plus, he went to St. John's. He is a smart guy (see picture).

    If only the Presidential Election was this easy.
     

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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    My expectation is that NO watches the guys compete for PT and those who don't earn it will end up traded.
     
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    No I get that. You need to work hard to earn it. You can't just coast until your contract year. But at the same time there is no reason to hate on a player just because management over paid, or because the TV contracts increased everyone's pay check. It is not the player's fault. As long as he is working his ass off........
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    If you voted no.... you ruined 82-0.

    I hate you.
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So, really, it's a yes. You meant to vote yes if this was your reasoning. Because we signed him, so who cares.
     
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    Good thing the prior cap doesn't apply anymore?
     
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    Yeah, I changed to yes. And then called the ticket office to buy a half season package.
     
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    Lmao. I did that at the end of last season. Except you should get the full season. Comes with a bunch more perks.
     
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    I'm assuming that the point was that $37M for those guys (actually only 35.5M [17.5 Crabbe, 9 MyLe, 9 Moe]) seems like too much even under the new cap, and he was providing the comparable cost of 26M in the old cap (37% of total cap) to illustrate his point. However, I would argue that Crabbe's inclusion skews the point. Leonard/Harkless each basically make $9M this year, which is equivalent to 6.7M under the old cap, or roughly what we signed Ed Davis and Al-Farouq Aminu for last summer. Those are standard role-player-level contracts.

    Crabbe's $17.5M this year is the one contract that feels out of whack, but considering his expected role on the team--30+mpg, second offensive option the majority of the time that he's on the floor--it's actually not much of a stretch.
     
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    Yeah, I totally misunderstood what he was trying to say. Thanks!
     
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    Holy cow! Is that permissible to admit on this board?
     
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    The Lillard-McCollum-Harkless-Aminu-Plumlee lineup was really good last year. I'd run that back again and see if last years numbers were for real (+14.4 per 100 poss). Plus it'll be easier for Terry to stagger Dame / CJ / Turner to keep 2 ball handlers on the floor at all times.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Stotts will start the seaon with guys who know the system and let the new guys work into it like he did with Henderson last season and Harkless..20 games in we should start to see rotation patterns
     
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    Crabbe got Wes money....we got a better deal than Cuban did but Crabbe has to take it to another level and earn it now
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Nah, stotts will start anyone right away that wins the spot.
     
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    Didn't Hendo have hip surgery and wasn't ready at the start of the season? I though he would be the starter otherwise.
     
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    Eh, I'm not so sure about that. Last year was seen as a development year early on so I don't think it would've made sense to through him out there ahead of Aminu. Who really knows though (not that it matters now).
     
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