Harkless resolves after Crabbe decision?

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  1. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Agree with everything you wrote. He does overthink things and seems to focus too much on one thing at a time, rather than just playing ball. He did play much better after he returned from the first injury, but he has yet to put it all together on a consistent basis. Now that he's locked up for anther 4 years, hopefully he will relax and play with confidence, or at least with less hesitation.

    Again, I don't think it was ever really a choice between Meyers and Mo, as their roles and strengths are so different.

    BNM
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    "Overthinking" is the antonym of "instinctual." He has to overthink, because he has no athletic instincts.

    One more year, and he's finally gone. Just as some of us could easily see in the Summer League after his rookie year. I don't know of any other team that gets stuck on these 5-year Webster/Outlaw/Leonard waits.
     
  3. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    He would have signed...the longer he waits, the more I begin to dislike him
     
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    Ahhh ,the magical "per 36 minutes" numbers.
    Cliff Alexander is 10 PPG,6 rpg,2 bpg per 36 minutes, the guy is a beast!

    Meyers lacks confidence and his mental slump and injuries will repeat again (and again).

    Right now we have 3 Centers with no shooting range in Ezeli,Plumlee,Davis. That leaves Meyers to be the perimeter big (the PF).

    After watching Leonard and Harkless play at the 4 last season, my conclusion is that i much rather have Hark than Leonard at that role,even if he's far from perfect.

    Aminu should start with Ezeli, Harkless should come off the bench with Davis. We can't afford Plumlee.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Looking at the salaries here:

    http://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/cap/

    It looks like we have ~$10M in LT space after renouncing Kaman (we didn't do that yet?).

    There are at least 3 possibilities:

    1. Neil hasn't offered all that's left, minus any possible bonuses that could add to our cap space situation after the trade deadline. This includes the possibility that he doesn't want to offer that much.

    2. Mo wants more.

    3. They're both in no hurry.

    Mo hasn't signed an offer sheet elsewhere.
     
  6. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's disingenuous and you know it. I compared two guys who played similar minutes: 1457 minutes for Harkless in 72 games (14 as a starter) = 18.7 MPG; 1333 minutes for Leonard in 61 games (10 as a starter) = 21.9 MPG. Those are relevant and comparable sample sizes. Cliff Alexander played exactly 36 minutes of garbage time all season. That is not a statistically relevant sample size. Your attempt at a red herring fails and adds nothing to your case for Harkless.

    Ironically, even with the ridiculously small sample size, other than BLKs, Alexander's per 36 numbers are inferior to Leonard's. So, if 10/6 makes Alexander a "beast", Leonard at 13.8/8.5 must be a total stud - by your "logic".

    BNM
     
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    Olshey very publicly announced that Turner will start. At that moment, Harkless lost his starting job. So Harkless and agent have made a list of teams where he has a higher chance of starting than here (for example 25%, since Olshey brilliantly announced that here, the chance is 0%). He and his agent are now having those teams compete to get the highest offer, where he will sign even if it's for less money (but more minutes, and a chance to start) than here.

    He is gone. Thanks, O...O...Olshey.
     
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    Harkless and Aminu look very similar statistically.

    Per 36, per 100 possessions, advanced stats.

    Aminu is a bit better at rebounding (+1 per 100 possessions), and a lot better at 3pt shots. Mo has the higher TS%, and ORtg. The DRtg are within 1.

    Aminu got more minutes, showing Stotts is more comfortable with him. At least last season. I'm not seeing that would change, unless Mo outplays him.

    The data are confounded by Mo moving into the starting lineup for the stretch run, and Aminu moving to the 4.

    Both started all 11 playoff games.
     
  9. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    HIT'M IN THE MUSCLE! HIT'M IN THE MUSCLE!
     
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    I just don't like "per 36 minutes" numbers comparisons in general, i deliberately choose an extreme example like Cliff just to show how silly those stats can be.

    I'm not denying their numbers are similar, but i'm not even sure we should rely solely on stats in this debate, we have to factor in stuff like their mental game,talent,potential ceiling,ability to shine in playoffs games,toughness,physical durability,mobility in a league trending more towards stretch 4s .
     
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    Please, show us links where you have all that info. Sounds like a bunch of TMZ rumor stuff (Not the olshey publicly annoucing).
     
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    Not a fan of the per 36 either. Good call.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    All stats need a frame of reference. Meyers and Mo played very similar minutes with a similar division of those minutes between starting and coming off the bench. The sample size, in this particular case was very comparable and relevant.

    The problem comes when someone attempts to use a very small sample size to extrapolate how a player will perform in a much larger role against better competition - which is what you did with Alexander. I agree, that such extrapolations are ridiculous.

    Aminu is our starting stretch 4 and Leonard can play the back up stretch 4, or better still, a back up stretch 5. When paired with Davis, Meyers can defend the 5 spot with Davis defending the 4. On the other end, Meyers creates spacing and Davis works down low, taking advantage of both players' strengths.

    Also, if ability to shine in the playoffs is a consideration, Meyers totally killed it in the MEM series.

    BNM
     
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    We really could have used meyers in the playoffs last year too.
     
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    The Memphis series where Gasol averaged 20/9/5 and won 4 games to 1?
     
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    Yea the series you didn't watch. Or maybe you turn off the game when Leonard's in? That takes some seriously strong hate.
     
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    I watched every second, as I do all games....when able, which is 99%.

    I saw him play Gasol up. I also saw him miss a billion rotations allowing Gasol to pick us apart. Maybe it's not me who's not watching?
     
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    Is Waiters an option if Harkless goes elsewhere? How much would he command in a contract?
     
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    Fuck, Soup Juggler
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    I just puked into my mouth a bit.
     

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