Harkless resolves after Crabbe decision?

I suppose it depends on how you define "significant assets". Is overpaying our 10th man and going over the LT threshold this year worth it given the possible future implications? I don't think so. Nobody else has even made Harkless an offer. If we overpay him and he's not part of our regular rotation, I don't see his trade value increasing. Harkless on a reasonable contract could be a trade asset, although the last time he was traded he was still on very reasonable rookie deal and only fetched a top 55 protected 2nd round pick (aka: nothing). An overpaid Harkless is not a valuable trade commodity. Just the opposite.

BNM

 

with the "overpays" we already did this summer in perhaps Turner and Crabbe IMO we simply cannot overpay Hark with the need to pay CJ big bucks next summer, just can't do it especially with a team that has not proven and does yet look like a "real" contender, a good team yes but not a real contender IMO

 

Well no one has formally made an offer.

Not really. Aminu will still see plenty of time at the back up 3 and Crabbe will play the 3 next to Dame and C.J. in small ball situations. I see Turner getting the bulk of the minutes at the 3, followed by Aminu and Crabbe. Harkless sucks at the 2, with no handle and a weak jump shot. He should never see minutes there. C.J. starts. with Crabbe getting the bulk of the back up minutes followed by Turner. That puts us three deep at the wing positions without Harkless being part of the regular rotation. Who, exactly does Harkless steal minutes from? Turner? Aminu? Crabbe? They are all better than he is.

BNM

 

So, earn it back. Minutes are earned, not given, based on quality of play. If Mo is pissed about losing a starting role that was only his because Terry moved Vonleh to the bench, come into training camp and preseason and mop up the floor with Turner. If you do, I guarantee Terry will give you the minutes you deserve. If you don't, you have no right to mope about losing your starting role.

Mo is reportedly asking for more money than we gave Turner. If you want more money than the guy in front of you, you damn well better outplay him. If you don't/can't, STFU.

BNM

 

How do you know he hasn't received an offer? It only has to go public if he signs the offer sheet.

 

Aminu will start at the 4, but we also have a logjam there with Davis and Leonard as back ups. Meyers will also see minutes at the 5, but we have Plumlee and Ezeli in front of him there. So, that means more minutes at the 3 for Aminu, and that shouldn't come as a surprise. He started the bulk of our games at the 3 last season and was almost exclusively a SF for his entire NBA career, until Terry benched Vonleh at the end of last season.

He's a better 3 than Mo (which is why he was starting ahead of him) and when Ed or Meyers plays the 4, Aminu will see plenty of time at the 3 - especially with Davis. Terry likes to have at least three 3-point shooters on the court at all times. You can't play Mo and Ed together with Turner and/or Plumlee or Ezeli because that leaves you with, at most two 3-point threats on the court.

I don't like to get into specific minute breakdowns, because it will vary night to night depending on match ups and who's playing well, but Turner will start and get the bulk of the minutes at the 3, which is really the only position Mo can play effectively. I fully expect Turner to get at least 32 MPG so Terry can always have at least two ball handlers/distributors on the floor (other than garbage time, when it doesn't matter). Aminu and Crabbe will split the back up SF minutes.

With the logjam at the 4, I don't expect Aminu to play more than 20 MPG at PF. In the playoffs, we didn't have either Meyers or Ezeli. That meant Aminu played a lot of minutes at the 4, because Ed Davis, our only other healthy big man worthy of PT, had to play exclusively the back up 5. Now Meyers is back and we added Ezeli. That means Ed Davis will move back to his natural back up PF role, with Ezeli getting the bulk of minutes at the back up 5. Meyers will get minutes backing the 4 and 5 spots. Effectively adding two more big men capable of playing the 4 will reduce Aminu's time at PF.

So, I still see the SF position divided between the starter Turner, with Aminu as his primary back up and Crabbe getting minutes there in small ball line ups. And that's why Mo is at a disadvantage, he can really only play one position effectively - SF. Turner can play the 3 and 2, Aminu the 3 and 4, C.J. the 2 and 1 and even Meyers will see back up minutes at both the 4 and 5. With three players, all better, all more versatile, ahead of Mo at the 3, I just don't see where he gets his minutes.

BNM

 

^ 1 of the reasons why I think Neil may have offered Moe a 2 yr. ~$13 million/yr. (or... perhaps this much for 4 years...?) w/ a 2nd yr. opt out or 1yr. @ ~$9million; ^ is why Moe would even consider offers like these

 

Boy, are you poor at context. What you just wrote is the same as I did. Except it's Harkless, not Boston substitute Turner, who has earned the starting job here. It should be decided in training camp. Instead, Olshey announced that Turner would take Harkless' job.

 

Then it stands to reason that Harkless takes Gerald Henderson's job...it's only fair damnit!

 

Harkless isn't a forward-guard like Henderson and Turner. Turner took the Henderson skill-mix spot, except that Turner is promised to start.

 

If I was the coach I be kind of piss at the GM. When does GM declare who starts I really thought that's why they hire a coach.

 

I'm sure training camp will take care of roster adjustments and seeing as how some of these guys are new, the guys who know the system should have a leg up early in the season. Gerald Henderson didn't play much until January. If Harkless is signed, we're a really deep team and who doesn't want to see training camp be a dogfight? I do...if Mo beats Crabbe or Turner, he'll have to earn it. Crabbe could just as easily take the starting spot from Turner.

 

If he won't accept anything less than a max contract then he'll be out of the league after his QO is up.