Harrison Dang Diddily Do Damn Diddily Darn Barnes

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I'm not betting my house on it or anything! Yet it is my strong opinion that this was a huge mistake of a pick, just like it was my opinion the Nolan Smith pick was a horrendous reach of a second round talent. Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong, we can pull up this thread in the future. Obviously we don't know for 100% certainty what any of these player will become; maybe Anthony Davis will be a scrub and Fab Melo will be the rookie of the year? But even if we don't know for certain we can make an educated guess. I would guess LeBron will have a great season and another chance at being the MVP and Luol Deng has no chance at an MVP; yet you'd be more correct to say we won't know for absolute sure until the games are actually played.

    As an outside observer that doesn't suffer from Blazer war room group think I believe our management again made a very poor choice. I will call them out when I see bad decisions. I loved both Gerald trades and many previous drafts but today I think they made a bad choice and I will call them out as I see it.

    I enjoy thinking about the FUTURE of this roster, hoping for the improvements from the players and believing one day we will be a contender; to do that involves judging what this roster will become, which involves uncertainty, projections, and estimations. If you only want to view the past then you can do it with 100% accuracy but that is very boring narrow minded fandom in my opinion.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Because it sort of makes sense? It certainly seemed reasonable that Barnes was about on the same level as Lilliard ... at least from what little I saw of each.
     
    Nikolokolus, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    aka ...Way to be one of the Homerville bitches...FAMS!!!
     
    Blaze01, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I obvioiusly didn't see any tier by teams, but the draft talk by the media seem to put Barnes in a different tier.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Jun 28, 2012
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  5. Nikolokolus

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    :dunno:

    Let me put it a different way: I felt about equally ambivalent about each as a prospect. There are things in each guys resume' that make me say "Oooh!" and then things that make me say "Uhh?" (both in about equal measure).

    Barnes looks like Marvin Williams to me (or Webster) or maybe Luol Deng if he really hits his stride. Lilliard looks kind of like Mo Williams on paper or maybe he really can bloom into Terry Porter 2.0? I dunno, we'll see.
     
    Nikolokolus, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    may be, but he is a mental midget. I don't think he will amount to much more then a good bench player.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    What significant player have they drafted since 2008?

    History is not on your side, yet you (and others) keep defending this inept organization....

    There is a difference b\t a fan and and a homer....
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Are you an HCP groupie or something?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    None ... but then again drafting in the twenties will do that for you ...
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Sure, it's always a fan's prerogative to "call out" bad decisions, but what are you basing it on? Your own scouting? Honest question, not sarcasm. Because mainstream opinion (from what I can tell) doesn't seem to justify your rather extreme reaction. Almost no one seemed to feel Barnes was a can't-miss or an elite prospect. In fact, the article I linked was a discussion on why Barnes was seen as disappointing (i.e. the perception already out there is that Barnes didn't live up to his hype).

    I don't have any problem with you thinking Barnes would have been a better pick, but I think you're infusing your opinion with a strange amount of conviction, as though there's a lot of evidence that the Blazers totally screwed the pick up. But Barnes' production and general evaluations are of a pretty uncertain and risky pick without a massive upside.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Is that a reasonable excuse for you?

    DEN would think differently.....
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Williams was actually considered a much stronger prospect coming out of college than Barnes. Williams was legitimately considered a blue chip prospect. He didn't end up justifying that, but has carved out a career as a fairly solid player. Considering Barnes has already failed to justify his college hype, I'm not that bullish on his NBA future. He could surprise and be amazing (I think Roy surprised even people who liked the pick, for instance) but Martell Webster is who I see.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I tell you one thing I belive and that is Lillard has a better chance of being that go to guy than Barnes. Part of it is because of the position he plays. But he has better quickness, better handles, a better outside shot and a better pull up jumper.

    Now that doesn't mean he is a better player, because Barnes can do other things better than Lillard, but I would have been very uneasy on passing on Lillard tonight. Of course either way I am a little uneasy about our picks, but that is just the way I am. But I really think we need a PG with all those skills. Players like that dominate crunch time. It will take him a year to adjust, but by year two he should be ready to lead us.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    What gets me down about all this is that I would have been excited if the Blazers did something different than what the media was predicting. They kept predicting we would draft based on need and I kept thinking the media will be surprised with the Blazers pick as Olshey came in with some definite plans to not draft by position. And had they drafted a SG or SF or PF, I would be excited about this player is who the Blazers think is the best player out there and coach will just have to make the roster work.

    But instead we do exactly as the media predicted, we picked a PG at 6 (even though a top pick dropped to 6 and we pick a project center. Safe I guess, but no excitement. Olshey's press conference had more sizzle than this draft.
     
    The_Lillard_King, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Yeah I vaguely remember Williams being seen as really elite ... I suppose I'm really referring to Marvin Williams the NBA player not the college prospect -- solid, but spectacularly underwhelming for a high lottery selection.
     
    Nikolokolus, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Based on your posts in here, you really ought to consider this.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jun 28, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    So you want to draft based off need. Fine.

    I just hate that strategy, we have a massive talent hole on this roster and are nowhere close to competing for a title, I want us to acquire the most talent. I'm not certain if Batum's best postion is at SG or off the bench anyways. So maybe theres a chance a starting SF was the biggest need for this team? We could get a free agent PG and Joel Freeland could be competent center. Now if we were a piece away from contending I could see leaning more towards drafting primarily for immediate need.

    But being multiple steps away from having a contending roster, we have no idea what those step will do to our positional strength.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    What do you prescribe when two players are rated relatively equally?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Take the one that is a bit higher
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    zig when the media thinks you're going to zag?
     
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