Harrison Dang Diddily Do Damn Diddily Darn Barnes

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  1. oldmangrouch

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Remember how much better Matthews looked playing alongside Miller? We replaced Miller with Felton, and Matthews clearly struggled.

    We draft Barnes instead of Lillard, and ask him to adjust from Mr Unselfish (Marshall) to whatever flotsam we have at PG next season. See the problem? (unless you are prepared to reach for Marshall at 11)

    Some players can shine in almost any system. Others need the right system/team-mates to flourish. For *some* teams, Barnes might have been BPA. In Portland....not so much.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Pretty sure every team last night prior to about pick #20 was drafting the exact same way we did. Cleveland fans are in an UPROAR that they drafted Waiters over T-Rob, even though they already had Tristan Thompson. And you know what happened two days ago? Rumors were swirling that they would take Waiters.
    Toronto took Ross, who clearly is a tier below Drummond, because they already had Bargnani and have a gap at the 2/3 (talk of them moving DeRozan to the 3).

    I just don't understand your shock - and lets be clear. Olshey (from what I remember) didn't say position NEVER plays a factor. He stated that you draft BPA based on the tier class. So if you have a player from tier 1 on the board, despite what position they play, you take him. If you have a player on tier 2, and you were expecting to draft a tier 2 player, you draft the player that fills a need, all things being equal.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Don't have time to go back and look but pretty sure he said position would not be a factor when drafting and never spoke in terms of tiers. Maybe he had another interview saying what you said, I was refering to his initial interview after being hired.

    I get the tier thing, just don't agree (Experts in the field should be able to break down players within a tier).

    Shocked because like an idiot I bought what Olshey was selling the day he did his intro interview. Blazers are not rebuilding, they will draft BPA regardless of position or age (as I remembered it) and Kaleb is his guy. I think he was feeding us fan a good old fashion sales pitch and didn't appreciate it. Maybe I'm way off here and the fact Quick and Canzano feel the same way doesn't mean it is true . . . but it's not like it is out of left field that I say Olshey is a salesman making his sales pitch to the Blzaer fans. I'm going a bit futher to say the sales pitch wasn't sincere . .. but that is just how I feel.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I'm just confused by this.... because IMO, Blazers did draft BPA. And there's no evidence that suggests Portland felt any differently. There are a lot of people who don't think Barnes will be more than an average starting SF (I expect he'll be better than that, but I think Lillard will be Terry Porter 2.0 eventually).
     
    BLAZINGGIANTS, Jun 29, 2012
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I get Treaty's focusing on Olshey saying one thing and then doing another, but what I don't understand is why this one point matters so much? I mean we all know these guys say a million things they don't exactly mean -- every team's front-office people says they only take the best player(s) -- what they forget to mention is that they usually are taking what they consider the best player(s) for their particular team; this decision is always made with needs in mind whether they say it or not.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    But he is not doing that at all.

    When Olshey was hired he laid out his tier philosophy. He said that he would always draft a higher tiered player regardless of their position, but then said if two guys are on the board in the same tier, he would draft the player that fits position need best. I assume that he had Lillard ranked on the same tier as Barnes (I did anyway?) And probably the same for Leonard. If you look at guys we passed on to get Leonard, they all have huge question marks. I'm not sure what the hubub is all about?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I guess I don't understand why people think Olshey said one thing and did another. I'm not saying it didn't happen - maybe it did. Or maybe Olshey did exactly as he said and did draft the BPA.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    This was a REALLY good point that should not be ignored. Barnes really was a different player after Marshall's injury. However, I also would not have objected to Marshall at 11...
     
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  9. Nikolokolus

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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Honestly I didn't remember him mentioning tiers ... if he did then I'm wrong about him "lying" and Treaty is way off.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I admit that is a possiblity, I just don't buy it. That is the only reason I point to the media . . . they were so convinced that the Blazers would draft on need base and I kept wondering why they were saying that. Zeller went as far as to say that according to his agent, if Blazers draft a PG with the 6th pick they will pick a center with the 11th pick.

    I don't know. Maybe it was BPA . . . but if Nik's point is right and you can't belive what GMs say to their fans, why are you so convinced it was BPA?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    It was either his introduction, or in his interview with MB and Wheels right afterward.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I'm convinced that it's plausible that Lilliard and Leonard were the best (not necessarily safest) picks at their spot. That's good enough for me.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Thank you, MM. I don't want to put forth the effort to find it, but I know he mentioned tiers at some point. Never pass on a Tier 1 for a tier 2, and draft need over all else in a tier.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Yes, that was it
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I'm not "so convinced" in regards to Olshey's thoughts, and whether or not the guys we drafted were BPA - I even said so in my post that you're responding to.

    IMO, Lillard was the BPA. So I just naturally had a belief that Olshey would have felt Lillard was the BPA. I had no reason to think otherwise (this is very common with humans, in general - when things look/smell/sound the way we expect, we don't question them).
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    Got a link MM. I know he talked alot about BPA during his initial interview and don't remember anything about teirs. Was it some other interview or that one?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I, too, remember something on this.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    You seem to be assuming that the media correctly predicted the picks based on considering need. Perhaps they correctly predicted the picks because they had good information on whom Olshey liked (as BPA)? Of course, if that's true, it's not a terribly great thing that Olshey had no secrets, since that can at times cost you a competitive advantage...fortunately, there was no trade action, so it really wasn't much of an issue.
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    That is why I bring up the media. They were predicting that the Blazers would pick a PG. Zeller went as far as to say he heard from his agent that the Blazers would pick one small and one big. He said that a day or two before the draft and that sounds like drafting based on need to me. So if Blazers picked BPA, jut coincidence it was a small and a big?
     
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    Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

    I'm pretty sure that Barnes was not even in the top two for Olshey. He indicated in one interview they had two guys (in the same tier) that they wanted at 6 and that their second choice (after Lillard), was already gone when they picked 6 (Waiters?). If the draft would have gone Davis, MKG, Beal, Robinson, Lillard, I would bet money that Blazers would have taken Waiters and passed on Barnes too.
     
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