Trade Hart/Winslow/Didi/Keon/pick or CJ/Norm/Nance/Roco?

I hope this is still true?

 

I dig this. I prefer Tayshaun.

 

I didn't realize at first... but the tweet is almost 5 months old.

 

So you say he's a negative contract like it's an undisputable fact because... Joe Harris and Duncan didn't get traded? Huh?

A contract going until he's 33, when the new TV deal will raise the cap by a good portion, makes him a negative because you say so?

You think he's negative because of other fans from other forums that don't know anything? Despite the Clippers GM saying it was a really good deal?

Basically, you have nothing to fall back on, which is just like the people saying CJ was a negative contract (which Jake Fisher dispelled yesterday) and Cronin himself admitted he got back less than he should have.

 

Dude, if you think the team that traded Hart and the 8th pick for CJ and Nance wouldn't have traded Hart and the 8th pick for CJ and Nance, then I have some property on Mars to sell you.

 

What? They literally put themselves in position to get no lottery picks when they made the trade, but somehow them doing better would've made them want a lottery pick more...?

Fisher reported today that there were other teams offering more. The "Cronin had no leverage" stuff is BS that you bought from who knows where. Meanwhile other GMs are saying it was a great value deal for the Pelicans and there were multiple suitors, which Cronin confirmed HIMSELF at the trade deadline.

Yet somehow, with multiple teams wanting CJ, all of them would've said no to what they felt would be a good trade for themselves value wise just to try to screw us over? You really believe that?

 

or not fun at all. If he turns out to be correct, this isn't the sort of post that one circles back to with I told you so's

STOMP

 

I thought our original trade included different players and picks? You just compared one trade with the same trade in this post. If I read your original post wrong, I apologize, dude.

 

May I suggest we let the next season come and go before a finale grade on Joe's trades. Josh Hart could end up a better player than CJ is, and CJ could end up an All Star in the East for the next 5 years?
All GM's win some and lose some. And, there isn't a fan on this site or any site that gets it all right either.

 

Completely agree with this. When olshey made some moves to get guys like Covington he got mostly high grades. Even if Covington hadn't been traded, at the end of his contract I don't think many people would have given up even one first round pick for him.
Hindsight is definitely necessary.

 

I'm sure there was interest for CJ. Probably in exchange for other players who don't help us and also have big contracts.

Why don't you just tell me the better deal that was on the table that Cronin turned down? If Fisher knows, don't you think Cronin knew? If you're trying to sell me that Cronin is mentally handicapped I'm not buying it.

Are you serious with this shit? Why would they give up more if they don't have to? If they are already offering more than other teams why would they offer EVEN MORE?

I get that riling people up gets you more views but...

 

I agree with this, except that CJ is unlikely to be an All-Star in the East since the Pelicans play in the West.

 

They wanted a lottery pick by making playoffs as a way to not penalize themselves in the trade by improved performance and making offs.

 

Mind fart
OK....east of the Mississippi then.

 

I agree with this. I think Billups had tremendous influence on these decisions. I have said before that Cronin might have even undervalued some of our assets because of Billups' dislike for those players.

 

Is this new today? Did he give any specifics?

 

what were they offering?

 

No, I actually didn't say that.

Didn't say that either.

Also, not what I said.

I have the fact that CJ was traded in the deal he was... which is better evidence than I've seen from you.

Just show us the better value that was available. You disagree? Just show us what was actually being offered so we can all get on the same page.

Or do you have anything to fall back on?

 

The problem is that he isn't a GM, he's an acting GM that is a candidate for the job so someone or some people need to evaluate the trades now and if they think that Joe lost some in this case he shouldn't be a candidate for the position anymore should he? Yeah, GMs who earned a contract that shows commitment to them based on what they've done to that point do make bad deals and not get fired but no one is talking about firing a GM, they're talking about not hiring one. I don't hear many of you extolling the virtues of Joe's deals like he undoubtedly knocked it out of the park, I think you guys are mostly saying that he just didn't fuck it up as bad as I think he did. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For me, someone in an interim role would need to have unquestionably had success during his interim period to warrant being promoted to full time GM. Also for me I wouldn't hamstring the organization by leaving someone as interim through both a trade deadline and the subsequent off season. That just seems like you'd be giving your team a tenuous situation that other GMs who are mostly sharks would smell like blood in the water.

 

you really need to stop saying things you didn't say