Yeah that 2006 mock does look like a random listing of prospects but it is 2 years down the road. Is Shannon Brown really that good? I have seen this guy play and he seemed like he didn't live up to the hype he recieved as a freshman going into Michigan State. He doesn't have much of a jumper or handle.
Yeah, Brown is a very good player. He seems like a combo guard in the NBA because of his size. He is very strong, and has a decent jumpshot. He's a streaky shooter. I don't know about him being a #1 pick like Wave said, but the guy is good. He can shut people down because of his athleticism. He had an alright freshman season. Watch out for him to do real well next season. He does have a handle too. It isn't great, but he can handle the rock.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yaomingfor3:</div><div class="quote_post">I like how nbadraft.tk completely rips apart some players. Such as Marcus Moore or Jerry Sokoloski (who the hell is that), these guys get bashed so bad it's hilarious</div> On Sokoloski: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There is a better chance of him becoming the next 'Bachelor' then there is of him ever playing NBA basketball.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yaomingfor3:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah that 2006 mock does look like a random listing of prospects but it is 2 years down the road. Is Shannon Brown really that good? I have seen this guy play and he seemed like he didn't live up to the hype he recieved as a freshman going into Michigan State. He doesn't have much of a jumper or handle.</div> It seems like he didn't have that great of a Fresman season or live up to the hype because of playing time. Just look at the other shooting guards that they had at Michigan State: Chris Hill, Alan Anderson, Kelvin Torbert, Maurice Ager, and Tim Bograkos. I wasn't even expecting him to get more than 10 mpg at the beginning of the year. The major concern with Brown isn't his handle or jumper. He's developed those to the extent where he's a threat with both. The major concern is height. He's 6-3 (although he says he's 6-5). Even though he's short, he plays like Allen Iverson so it's really not becoming that big of an issue. I honestly don't think #1 is a stretch. I am not just being biased either. I'm a Michigan State fan; however, I will tell you that he's on a whole nother level from any other Michigan State player. Chris Hill, Alan Anderson, and Maurice Ager are all good prospects, but none of them can touch Brown's game.
From NBADraft.net - <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NBA Comparison: Gilbert Arenas Strengths: Shannon is a phenomenal athlete comparable to few prior. A true highlight-film waiting to happen on the fastbreaks, he is just as likely to rise up and dunk on the defense in a half-court setting. An on-target shooter with a high-rising jumper and pretty form. A capable handle despite not having to play the point guard spot with his high school team. He also is a solid defender when he sets his mind to shutting down his opponent. Exciting player with supreme athletic gifts, draws comparisons to Ronnie Fileds. Has the ability to play the point guard position on the next two levels. With his athleticism coupled with very large hands, bigger than his 6'9" teammates, and long arms, he has the tools to dominate. Weaknesses: Classified as "great" in about every category, his passing ability, while above par, is not yet at the elite level. At times becomes lax on the defensive end when he is not totally entrapped in the game. Like many great shooters, he will most always try to shoot himself out of a slump, and at times this can serve as a deficiency to his game. A natural shooting guard, his size at 6'1" is a setback, but with capabilities at the lead guard spot, he will be alright.</div>
Would you say he is comparable to Steve Francis? They are both around the same size and amazing athletes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yaomingfor3:</div><div class="quote_post">Would you say he is comparable to Steve Francis? They are both around the same size and amazing athletes.</div> I can see a resemblance; however, he plays shooting guard and not point guard. Being undersized like that yet still having the athleticism, handles, and jumper to succeed make him like Iverson. If you compare their games, they're almost identical. Brown shoots a little bit better, and Iverson has a little more drive though.
nbadraft.net nbadraft.net is horrible they charge people to see their crappy profiles. Plus their mock draft hasn't been updated for a week, they are really slacking behind.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yaomingfor3:</div><div class="quote_post">nbadraft.net is horrible they charge people to see their crappy profiles. Plus their mock draft hasn't been updated for a week, they are really slacking behind.</div> Although I don't like the way the management runs the site, they're my first option outside of ESPN. Even if their information is slightly innacurate I enjoy it. I don't treat it as if everything they say is fact. I just use their mocks as general guidelines.
NBADRAFT.net just updated and I was suprised to see Telfair drop to late 1st round and suprised to see Delonte West jump into the 1st round.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Total ripoff from nbadraft.net. It's amazing what people will do for popularity these day. </div> i agree, its pretty much like nbadraft.net, so i'll just stick with that site
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting pgrudo00:</div><div class="quote_post">NBADRAFT.net just updated and I was suprised to see Telfair drop to late 1st round and suprised to see Delonte West jump into the 1st round.</div> Do you get ESPN Insider? Recently the draft experts got together and ranked the top 50 prospects. Telfair didn't even make the top 30. His stock is really falling. I believe there is a lot of false hype about 'Bassy, and teams are starting to figure that out. As for West, you never knew what happened; he could have had a great chain of workouts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">From NBADraft.net -</div> Hold up, Shannon Brown is 6'3 and he's good, he shared MYP award with Lebron at the Jordan Classics last year. He should be rated higher, they got Chris Paul right though in the 2005 draft. Kid's talented. Wheres LaMarcus Aldridge? Is he pulling out this year's draft?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">Hold up, Shannon Brown is 6'3 and he's good, he shared MYP award with Lebron at the Jordan Classics last year. He should be rated higher, they got Chris Paul right though in the 2005 draft. Kid's talented.</div> That's exactly how I feel. Brown will be a cross of Iverson and Wade; nothing less in my opinion. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wheres LaMarcus Aldridge? Is he pulling out this year's draft?</div> I'm not 100% positive, but I think he hasn't hired an agent yet but is still considering doing so. I may be wrong though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">That's exactly how I feel. Brown will be a cross of Iverson and Wade; nothing less in my opinion. I'm not 100% positive, but I think he hasn't hired an agent yet but is still considering doing so. I may be wrong though.</div> He can be better than Iverson, Shannon likes to share the ball and help out teammates. Really don't know how he get down to #16. I hope LaMarcus Aldridge gets one more year in college. I don't agree with most of these websites, some are just built from hype and not considering skills, and how do they rate European players when they're stats are so much different from ours. Like some kid from Europe or Asia can have averages of 10 pts 8 rebounds can have all this hype, while theres college players putting up better and in the late 1st round.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KS1:</div><div class="quote_post">He can be better than Iverson, Shannon likes to share the ball and help out teammates. Really don't know how he get down to #16.</div> Wow! When I posted my earlier posts, the site had him in the second round. Maybe they actually read what we say. This could be a good opportunity for us to help them out if that's the case. Does anyone else see any mass oversights? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope LaMarcus Aldridge gets one more year in college.</div> Ya, he needs at least one in my opinion. I'd like to see all these High School kids go to college. The only early entries who couldn't use college in my opinion are Okafor, Gordon, and Humphries. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't agree with most of these websites, some are just built from hype and not considering skills,</div> I know exactly what you were talking about. That's how guys like that kid from Greece, Sofoklis, end up looking like they "slipped". Sofoklis Schortsanitis (sp?) didn't slip in my opinion. He was just overhyped and a lot of the draft sites bought into that. The Real GM's and management know what they're doing though. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and how do they rate European players when they're stats are so much different from ours. Like some kid from Europe or Asia can have averages of 10 pts 8 rebounds can have all this hype,</div> Like wtwalker said, these sites are mostly reactionary sites. I know NBADraft.Net interviewed Darko, and some other sites get interviews; but none of these guys are invited to any private workouts for all I know. That's why I trust ESPN's Insider more than these mock draft sites <font size="1">(although I do thoroughly enjoy these mock draft sites)</font>. Because these sites are simply reactionary, they don't really see a lot of these European talents with their own two eyes. And I often wonder myself how they can be accurate judges of these talents without seeing them or having solid stats for them. Some guys like Pavel average 2ppg overseas. It's rediculous. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">while theres college players putting up better and in the late 1st round.</div> A prime example is Kris Humphries. I've only seen such stats from a frosh at a big time school on four other occassions - Carmelo, Chris Jackson, Magic, and Pistol Pete. However, all the international mysteries are projected over him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow! When I posted my earlier posts, the site had him in the second round. Maybe they actually read what we say. This could be a good opportunity for us to help them out if that's the case. Does anyone else see any mass oversights? Ya, he needs at least one in my opinion. I'd like to see all these High School kids go to college. The only early entries who couldn't use college in my opinion are Okafor, Gordon, and Humphries. I know exactly what you were talking about. That's how guys like that kid from Greece, Sofoklis, end up looking like they "slipped". Sofoklis Schortsanitis (sp?) didn't slip in my opinion. He was just overhyped and a lot of the draft sites bought into that. The Real GM's and management know what they're doing though. Like wtwalker said, these sites are mostly reactionary sites. I know NBADraft.Net interviewed Darko, and some other sites get interviews; but none of these guys are invited to any private workouts for all I know. That's why I trust ESPN's Insider more than these mock draft sites <font size="1">(although I do thoroughly enjoy these mock draft sites)</font>. Because these sites are simply reactionary, they don't really see a lot of these European talents with their own two eyes. And I often wonder myself how they can be accurate judges of these talents without seeing them or having solid stats for them. Some guys like Pavel average 2ppg overseas. It's rediculous. A prime example is Kris Humphries. I've only seen such stats from a frosh at a big time school on four other occassions - Carmelo, Chris Jackson, Magic, and Pistol Pete. However, all the international mysteries are projected over him.</div> Well, I dont trust these sites but they're a lot of fun arguing against and they basically give you all the names of the players in the draft, thats it. I still think the Over Sea players are a big hype, I like to see players from college whom I been cheering on for 1, 2, 3, 04 4 years. You know what? They should have that rule, one year in college. It helps them a lot. I mean out of 1 million players, you get 1 Lebron or Garnett. Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chadler, DeShawn Stevenson all could of used it.
