Notice Hassan Whiteside Trade Could Be Trail Blazers Hail Mary Move

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  1. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Ah, thanks.

    I wanted Aldridge, Rudy Gay, and Tyrus Thomas in that draft. (In that order.)

    You win some you lose some ;)
     
  2. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    Nurkic will get a similar contact as what Whiteside got four-year, $98 million. Can we afford that?
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    No, he won't.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    It is a "what if" game. Parsons could've been healthier. He could've fit better or worse with us than with Memphis. Everything about the summer of 2016 would've been different between not having Turner, which of our own free agents were kept, and how good/bad the team would've been that summer.
     
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    The question is which other teams can afford that?
     
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    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    If he's better than Whiteside with a better attitude then why wouldn't he?
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    Because this summer is a completely different climate than the summer of 2016. There aren't many teams that could even offer him that kind of contract and of that extremely small list most of those teams wouldn't be interested in Nurk at that price. Except for a handful of top tier NBA players the free agent market is going to be very shocking to players this summer. Heck even last summer a guy like Mason Plumlee only got 3 years, $41 million when his much crappier brother got 4 years, $52 million the year before.
     
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    18/9/4 per 36 as a guy who can shoot and has a 61TS% and plays pretty good defense as well.. has a 2.9RPM. Most underrated big in the league (I've said Ed is, but Ed is 2nd)
     
  9. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Not a chance in hell.
     
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    No, it's not. It's a simple way to see the sorts of players he values. To date, his Free Agent talent-meter has been BUSTED. If you target a player, you are telling the world you value that player - getting or not getting that player doesn't change whether you over/under valued them. I just can't fathom how anyone could think that targets-not-acquired shouldn't be used in evaluating a GM - a target is a target.

    As an extreme example: If Olshey were to attempt to trade Dame for Ball, but the Lakers rebuff the offer, would you not immediately fire Olshey despite the trade not executing?
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    I have already stated why twice but you just seem to keep ignoring it. Some players play differently or are better fits on other teams. It's impossible to know what would happen if someone signed with us instead of another team. Look at Turkoglu, he was coming off a good year playing with Howard but was a horrible fit in Toronto's offense. Who knows what he would have done that year playing with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.
     
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    Free agency for Portland in my opinion should be thought of as simply a bonus situation and nothing more. Sure, there are always value signings but it is so rare to land even a medium level free agent that it isn't worth evaluating the misses in my opinion. Players and agents sometimes take meetings to get leverage and as favors that can be cashed in later. You don't think Olshey tried to get a meeting with Durant that summer? Or how about when he landed a meeting with LeBron while with the Clippers? Should those be counted on his misses too?
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    A good article......
     
  14. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    What a load. I wouldn't trade Nurk for Whiteside straight across, and he wants to throw in Napier and Moe, and shitcan Project Pat for nothing?

    Fuck off.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Good grief, I always enjoy your posts.
     
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    Monroe
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    Funny post....
     
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    Post All-star Break Nurkic was a better player that Whiteside has ever been. And he's younger, has a better attitude, will come cheaper, we already have so we wouldn't have to give up assets to trade for, and isn't a black hole (we're already last in assists... Whiteside makes that worse).

    Trading for Whiteside and letting Nurk go would go down as one of the worst moves in Blazers history.
     
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    Kanter has actually shown to be worth the money. His defense isn't as bad as people think, and his locker from presence and offensive game make him extremely valuable.
     
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    Yeah, I wasn't even mad about the Kanter offer. Kanter off the bench could be nice. I know it's sacrilege to even think this, but his offensive production may be more useful than Ed's defense.
     

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