Haywood and Mike Miller to Portland

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  1. Denny Crane

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    How much would two 2nd round picks cost? More than NO paid.

    The Cavs could have waived Haywood and that would have cost them zero. The Blazers will waive him and it will cost the Blazers zero.

    Miller can be waived and more than half his salary paid by his next team, if he only signs for vet minimum.

    Two transactions. Each required the Blazers to give up some sort of consideration. $75k each deal, $150K. It's the least the Blazers could give up.

    The Cavs gained two traded player exceptions , which give them flexibility to trade for players with $10.5m and ~$3m. They'd have to have paid 1/2 Miller'so salary plus tax and got no TPEs otherwise.

    NO effectively paid about $1.3m for two second round picks. They're probably worth $1m each on draft day.
     
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    Blah blah. If you don't know the difference between "what we gave up" and "what we could have gotten" I can't help you.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Same answer. Your issue is what we gave up and got. My issue is what we should have given up and gotten.

    Your $75K number is invented just to help your argument. Source? It could be anywhere between that and $3.4 million.
     
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    you really think we could've gotten more when they had other teams to deal with? What exactly do you think he could've gotten????
     
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    There's no point in paying more than $75K. The point was to give up the minimal consideration to satisfy the CBA rules.

    We shouldn't have somehow gotten much more. Maybe a slicker negotiator might have gotten the two picks for $1 less.

    As Shilly pointed out, the team actually has to pay the league minimum payroll, so all but $150K of that $1.3m would have been spent anyway.

    The opportunity cost is about a half of Miller's pay worth of cap space .
     
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    You live in an interesting part of town.
     
    oldmangrouch, Jul 27, 2015
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    Your issue is your fallacious perception of what someone in a job you've never had should be able to do with resources you've never managed in situations you've never experienced. But I'm sure your analysis is spot on.
     
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    Just how many 2nd round picks do you think Olshey should have gotten?
     
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    Kind of a bizarre trade in my opinion.
     
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    Yah very bizarre we got two picks for some cash and a minimal cap hit.
     
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    Just before making the deal with us, they dealt Christmas to the Pacers for a 2019 2nd rounder.

    I would rather have Christmas (who more than a few people think is a sleeper) and one over-the-horizon pick than what we got. YMMV.
     
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    I said my answer to your question several times in this current thread. The first time I said this was in the earlier Haywood thread, and here's the quote. In the many posts after this post, no one in that thread disagreed, and some explicitly agreed:

    agrees with me:
    says we should go for even more, a player, since the Cavs must dump some:
    In case someone says the Cavs wouldn't have included a player we want for the TPE...they had just done the same:
     
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    He could have gotten more and I think their next years late round first round pick. I will ask again, who was helping who here? It was Portland helping Cleveland. If they weren't willing to part with a their late first, I would have told them to get lost and don't come back until they were ready to part with it.

    I'm with you on this. But I just think he is very weak at his job. And I'm in awe the lengths some of these posters will go to protect him.
     
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    Sounds like 2006 to me.
     
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    Mixed record, but trending toward worsening. Olshey won the Lopez trade, then gave him away. He lost the Afflalo trade, then gave him away. Now, this Raef LaFrentz-like failure to fully exploit a free offer.

    He brought the Clipper attitude here. Lose on purpose for 30 years, be cheap, make a profit. He said a couple of times in his first 2 years here that he wasn't used to an owner who wanted to win now. This summer, he got his way and drove us into the ground. I think we'll stay here for his duration. This is the self-destructive Clipper (Donald Sterling) vision.
     
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    Hey you kids, get those 2nd round draft picks off my lawn!
     
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    What's the likliehood of them panning out?
     
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    Far greater than if we didn't have those picks.
     
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    Which still doesn't answer my question. The 2019 pick has some value - but is it worth more than Christmas?
     
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    When I was 4yrs old I got a Cocker Spaniel for Christmas. Cute puppy, awesome dog. The only problem is my parents let me name the dog and being 4yrs old I named that dog Christmas. Sure, having a dog named Christmas is cute when you're 4yrs old but fast forward 12yrs and when the dog gets out of the yard and you have to walk up and down the neighborhood yelling, "Christmas! Christmas!" 16yr old me didn't think having anything named Christmas is very cool!
     
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