Dame was still Neil's pick. Nurk was a nice pickup. CJ a good pick. Roco looks pretty good. Powell looks good(hopefully Neil can retain his services) . Enes has been a nice pickup (twice). Seth Curry was a nice addition. Too bad he wasn't with team when we played Denver. He actually ,in all likelihood, would have given Dame a teammate who would have HIT a shot. I don't blame Neil for LaMarcus' poor decision. LA could have been an institution in Portland had he stayed. He is mostly forgettable to San Antonians. Yes Neil has got to hit some home runs this offseason, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT . But he hasn't hit below the Mendoza line consistantly during his tenure either. Just sayin'
Here are all of Neil's trades as GM of the Blazers Let me know which of these you think are wins Here are my choices. His wins are mostly snagging talented guys in the second round, or dumpster diving on guys like Harkless or Lopez. Wins June 27, 2013: Traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Sir'Dominic Pointer was later selected) and a 2016 2nd round draft pick (Paul Zipser was later selected) to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Allen Crabbe. July 10, 2013: As part of a 3-team trade, the Portland Trail Blazers traded cash, a 2016 2nd round draft pick (Malcolm Brogdon was later selected) and a 2016 2nd round draft pick (Chinanu Onuaku was later selected) to the Sacramento Kings; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Jeff Withey to the New Orleans Pelicans; the New Orleans Pelicans traded Terrel Harris and Robin Lopez to the Portland Trail Blazers; the New Orleans Pelicans traded Greivis Vásquez to the Sacramento Kings; and the Sacramento Kings traded Tyreke Evans to the New Orleans Pelicans. June 25, 2015: Traded Steve Blake and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to the Brooklyn Nets for Pat Connaughton and Mason Plumlee. July 14, 2015: Traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Orlando Magic for Maurice Harkless. (Pick is top-55 protected) June 23, 2016: Traded $1.2M cash and a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Jaylen Hands was later selected) to the Orlando Magic for Jake Layman. July 7, 2016: Traded cash considerations to the Orlando Magic for Shabazz Napier. February 13, 2017: Traded Mason Plumlee, cash considerations and a 2018 2nd round draft pick (Shake Milton was later selected) to the Denver Nuggets for Jusuf Nurkić and a 2017 1st round draft pick (Harry Giles was later selected). (2017 1st-Rd pick sent to POR is MEM's pick) June 21, 2018: Traded cash, a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Justin James was later selected) and a 2021 2nd round draft pick to the Sacramento Kings for Gary Trent Jr.. (2019 2nd-rd pick is from either MIN or LAL, whichever is more favorable.) (2021 2nd-rd pick is MIA's pick.) $1.5MM February 4, 2019: Traded Wade Baldwin, Nik Stauskas, a 2021 2nd round draft pick and a 2023 2nd round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Rodney Hood. July 6, 2019: As part of a 4-team trade, the Portland Trail Blazers traded Meyers Leonard to the Miami Heat; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Maurice Harkless to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Los Angeles Clippers traded cash to the Miami Heat; the Miami Heat traded a 2023 1st round draft pick to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Miami Heat traded Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Mathias Lessort to the Los Angeles Clippers; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat. $110K (top-14 protected) January 21, 2020: Traded Kent Bazemore, Anthony Tolliver, a 2024 2nd round draft pick and a 2025 2nd round draft pick to the Sacramento Kings for Trevor Ariza, Wenyen Gabriel and Caleb Swanigan. November 20, 2020: As part of a 3-team trade, the Portland Trail Blazers traded Mario Hezonja to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Boston Celtics traded Desmond Bane to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Boston Celtics traded Enes Kanter to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Memphis Grizzlies traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick and a 2025 2nd round draft pick to the Boston Celtics; and the Memphis Grizzlies traded cash to the Portland Trail Blazers. 2023 2nd-rd pick is more favorable of HOU and less favorable of MEM and DAL picks 2025 2nd-rd pick is MEM own Losses July 10, 2013: Traded Kostas Papanikolaou, Marko Todorović, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Richaun Holmes was later selected) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick (Dillon Brooks was later selected) to the Houston Rockets for Thomas Robinson. February 19, 2015: Traded Will Barton, Victor Claver, Thomas Robinson and a 2016 1st round draft pick (Malik Beasley was later selected) to the Denver Nuggets for Arron Afflalo and Alonzo Gee. (DEN 2016 1st round pick received from POR is lottery protected.) June 24, 2015: Traded Nicolas Batum to the Charlotte Hornets for Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh. February 18, 2016: As part of a 3-team trade, the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Vernon Carey Jr. was later selected) to the Orlando Magic; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Jared Cunningham to the Orlando Magic; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anderson Varejão and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Moritz Wagner was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; and the Orlando Magic traded Channing Frye to the Cleveland Cavaliers January 6, 2017: Traded a 2018 1st round draft pick (Moritz Wagner was later selected) to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a 2017 1st round draft pick (Caleb Swanigan was later selected). June 22, 2017: Traded Harry Giles and Justin Jackson to the Sacramento Kings for Zach Collins. June 24, 2019: Traded Evan Turner to the Atlanta Hawks for Kent Bazemore. Undecided November 22, 2020: Traded Trevor Ariza, Isaiah Stewart and a 2021 1st round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for Robert Covington. Portland also received a trade exception. 2021 1rst-rd pick is lottery protected March 25, 2021: Traded Rodney Hood and Gary Trent Jr. to the Toronto Raptors for Norman Powell. Portland also received a trade exception Inconsequential June 29, 2012: Traded Tyshawn Taylor to the New Jersey Nets for cash. July 16, 2012: Traded Raymond Felton and Kurt Thomas to the New York Knicks for Dan Gadzuric, Jared Jeffries, Kostas Papanikolaou, Georgios Printezis, cash and a 2016 2nd round draft pick (Chinanu Onuaku was later selected). July 20, 2012: As part of a 3-team trade, the Portland Trail Blazers traded Jon Diebler to the Houston Rockets; the Boston Celtics traded JaJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, Sean Williams and a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Álex Abrines was later selected) to the Houston Rockets; the Boston Celtics traded Sasha Pavlović to the Portland Trail Blazers; and the Houston Rockets traded Courtney Lee to the Boston Celtics. February 21, 2013: Traded Georgios Printezis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Eric Maynor. Oklahoma City also received a trade exception from Portland. June 27, 2013: Traded Grant Jerrett to the Oklahoma City Thunder for cash. June 25, 2015: Traded cash considerations to the Utah Jazz for Dani Díez. July 27, 2015: Traded cash considerations to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Justin James was later selected) and a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Vernon Carey Jr. was later selected). February 18, 2016: Traded cash considerations to the Miami Heat for Brian Roberts and a 2021 2nd round draft pick June 28, 2017: Traded Tim Quarterman to the Houston Rockets for cash considerations. February 8, 2018: Traded Noah Vonleh and cash to the Chicago Bulls for Milovan Raković. February 7, 2019: Traded Caleb Swanigan to the Sacramento Kings for Skal Labissière. July 8, 2019: Traded Jake Layman to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Bojan Dubljevic. February 6, 2020: Traded Skal Labissiere and cash to the Atlanta Hawks for a 2024 2nd round draft pick. $1.7MM (top-55 protected)
He picked Dame....but the Blazer scouting department had already identified him before Neil was hired right before the Draft. Nurk was a good pickup, but that was almost by accident. At the time, Neil seemed much higher on the Draft pick they were able to acquire for a player they had to move or risk getting nothing for. CJ was a good pick...but I was told how good Giannis would be well before the Draft by someone who makes the Draft a hobby....and nails it year after year. So CJ was a good pick, but a huge swing and a miss compared to the pairing of Dame/Giannis. Roco looks good....but he cost us our best 1-on-1 defensive player and 2 1st round picks. Not exactly a bargin. That is Ariza and 4 1st round picks for Collins (horrible miss given the quality and Olympians who went soon after him) and Roco. Enes was a nice addition....for the regular season. Curry was nice.....and then he was gone. As for LaMarcus, so many people knew he wasn't coming back due to several factors. Neil really missed on that. ....and what he did in 2016 hamstrung this franchise for years. Even if he gave out money that he would lose if he didn't use, what give so much to also rans and who held a gun to his head to give the max amount of years to each one of them. That was terrible!
You have to blame Neil that he didn't either convince LA to sign an extension by the trade deadline or trade him at that deadline. That is on Neil and it's huge. The fact that we're in wait and see mode on Powell is on Neil. Unless we were in contention (which we weren't) I wanted an asset for Gary that lasted longer than a few months. CJ was a weird pick because we already had Dame and everyone could see that they were redundant and he has made CJ into a bad pick by sticking to the narrative that CJ and Dame are the best back court in the league and the foundation for a title. I'm glad in his last news conference he finally seemed to step away from that idea but goddamn it's taken way too long. With all of the bad free agent signings and the fact that his best moves are probably Nurk and RoCo when we have needed a lot more than that... I would say he's missing on more than 4 out of 5 moves he makes and his worst quality is his lack of imagination and lack of significant moves to get us better.
Here's his signings Let me know what your wins would be. Here are mine. It's funny because I have Rodney Hood and Melo as both wins and losses. Wins for their first contracts and losses for their second contracts. Wins August 8, 2013: Signed Mo Williams as a free agent. March 30, 2015: Signed Tim Frazier to a multi-year contract. July 9, 2015: Signed Al-Farouq Aminu to a multi-year contract. July 9, 2015: Signed Ed Davis to a multi-year contract. July 28, 2016: Signed Maurice Harkless to a multi-year contract. July 6, 2018: Signed Seth Curry as a free agent. February 13, 2019: Signed Enes Kanter to a contract for the rest of the season. July 6, 2019: Signed Rodney Hood as a free agent. November 19, 2019: Signed Carmelo Anthony. Losses July 7, 2016: Signed Evan Turner to a multi-year contract. July 8, 2016: Signed Festus Ezeli to a multi-year contract. July 10, 2016: Signed Meyers Leonard to a multi-year contract. July 10, 2016: Signed Allen Crabbe to a multi-year contract. July 5, 2018: Signed Nik Stauskas as a free agent. July 3, 2019: Signed Anthony Tolliver as a free agent. July 3, 2019: Signed Mario Hezonja as a free agent. July 25, 2019: Signed Pau Gasol as a free agent. September 30, 2019: Signed Keljin Blevins. October 17, 2019: Signed Moses Brown to a two-way contract. November 21, 2020: Signed Carmelo Anthony to a multi-year contract. November 22, 2020: Signed Derrick Jones Jr. as a free agent. November 22, 2020: Signed Rodney Hood to a multi-year contract. Undecided November 22, 2020: Signed Harry Giles as a free agent. Inconsequential July 11, 2012: Signed Victor Claver as a free agent. July 13, 2012: Signed Joel Freeland as a free agent. July 18, 2012: Signed Ronnie Price as a free agent. September 21, 2012: Signed Adam Morrison as a free agent September 30, 2012: Signed Coby Karl as a free agent. July 10, 2013: Signed Dorell Wright as a free agent. July 11, 2013: Signed Earl Watson as a free agent. September 13, 2013: Signed Richard Howell. September 24, 2014: Signed Darius Morris September 24, 2014: Signed James Southerland. July 11, 2015: Signed Luis Montero to a multi-year contract. July 24, 2015: Signed Phil Pressey. July 24, 2015: Signed Cliff Alexander to a multi-year contract. September 25, 2015: Signed Omari Johnson. August 17, 2016: Signed Grant Jerrett. September 12, 2016: Signed Greg Stiemsma. August 9, 2017: Signed C.J. Wilcox to a two-way contract. September 11, 2017: Signed Archie Goodwin. September 14, 2017: Signed Isaiah Briscoe. September 18, 2017: Signed Anthony Morrow. October 20, 2017: Signed Wade Baldwin to a two-way contract. February 21, 2018: Signed Brandon Rush to a 10-day contract. March 8, 2018: Signed Georgios Papagiannis to a 10-day contract. March 12, 2018: Signed Wade Baldwin to a multi-year contract. March 18, 2018: Signed Georgios Papagiannis to a multi-year contract. April 8, 2021: Signed Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to a 10-day contract. April 13, 2021: Signed T.J. Leaf to a two-way contract. April 28, 2021: Signed Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to a contract for the rest of the season.
What about the players he tried to sign for massive money tha forunately went elsewhere? He is not good with a checkbook in his hand.
Bringing him in mid season when we were short handed was a win. We had nothing to lose. Bringing him back and protecting his legacy was a loss.
My biggest problem with Neil besides all but one of those massive contracts in 2016 is what he has failed to do. It's that his wins piled up in your two posts don't amount to close to enough to expect a contending team from. He hasn't worked for us to get to a place of contending and he has been so sold on his own spin that he has kept guys who just don't work together. Letting LaMarcus walk and not trading CJ have to be the most damning things he's done. That along with keeping a coach for 9 seasons that he just put all of the blame on. If all of the blame goes on Terry Stotts and none of it goes on Olshey for the roster he assembled then how does Olshey stay away from the blame for having Stotts coach the roster?
You bring this up every once in a while, and use it to denigrate Neil. The fact is that EVERY GM, INCLUDING THE BUCKs screwed up on GA. He was picked #15, so each team picking before that screwed up. The Bucks screwed up, because if they knew GA would be a superstar, they should have moved up into the lottery to pick him - they didn't. Teams #16 to 20 could surely have moved up to 11 or 12 to get a superstar - they didn't. Teams #21 and worse have high caliber players they surely could have traded to get into the end of the lottery... if only they would have known, but they didn't. The Bucks GM even admitted as much later. In looking at the 2013 draft, Neil comes up looking like roses. He got CJ, who may be the 2nd best player in that draft, and he drafted at #10. By all means, take a look at who went in the top 10 that year. cool that D69 is an engineer, so am I.
The one thing that just struck me about the time it's taking us to hire someone is this... Woj's latest tweet about Jason Kidd taking the Mavs job says that he's assembling his staff. That is a little worrisome for me. All of these newly named head coaches are assembling their staffs and we're likely going to have a rookie head coach that doesn't quite have the connections all of these retreads do. Our new coach has to build our new coaching staff with some of the best names already taken because other teams are getting shit done.
Oh I agree. It’s a lot of low risk moves that never put us over the top. Just kept us afloat. All of the moves that Neil made that he needed to hit on were busts. Not trading Aldridge set us back 4-5 years. Trading Batum for Vonleh. The Afflalo trade. And the Trent trade might really bite us in the ass. It’s too early to tell.
Yeah, I don't think drafting CJ was a miss... I don't even "denigrate" Neil for Zach. Draft picks are dicey, Neil isn't great in the first round and so he just trades all of our first rounders and he is great at bargain shopping later in the draft so he tends to trade back in down there. I really don't have a problem with any of Neil's draft night/day moves; he actually seems to thrive in that environment. I do however hold Neil responsible for keeping CJ all of this time which has held both him and Dame back. Oh and don't be silly, of course the Bucks got it right and not wrong. You don't say the Bulls fucked up just like the Blazers did because they should have traded into that number two spot to get Jordan. That's not the way this stuff works. What you're saying is that the Bucks should have used more draft capital to get what they got. That can't be true.
ya it's not just a portland thing https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/...ext-head-coach-dallas-mavericks-rick-carlisle https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/...-is-a-lot-to-take-in-jason-kidd-nico-harrison
