<div class="quote_poster">durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">That's a silly comparison. Did Kobe win an MVP, 3 Finals MVPs, and 3 championships while with the Heat? I must have missed that.</div> Oh I see. Well, my problem is that I was too vague, I did not phrase myself properly. Let me clarify what I meant. From your perspective, I can see why you have an issue with what I said (see below). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Miami Flash City Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> lol you must be joking, that makes no sence at all Kobe has nothing to do with the Heat that deserves praise. I hope Shaq got his respect after the 3 chips he helped you guys get. </div> Well the Laker Fans could easily have booed Shaq for various reasons but they didn't. If the Heat fans had known about Shaq being booed (in a hypothetical situation), I figured they'd be pissed and use that as some sort of pretext to boo Kobe in that gutless fashion (after they had the game wrapped up and on Christmas). In this theoretical example, chanting "Kobe sucks" would have been more understandable, which is the point. Obviously, this wasn't the case, so I feel that the Heat fans acted like infants. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We're not LA fans moral level...YOU LIVE IN MIAMI!! ......thats a damn shame you even said that but anyways just because your a Laker fan doesn't make you smarter then anyone...so wtf are you talking about. </div> I live in Miami, so that means I have to be on your side or something? No, and I don't know what you're so upset about. Further, when did I say I was smarter than anyone? I just have a different team that I classify as my favorite. The truth is that some fans are less brash than others, and I feel the Laker fans were on a higher moral level for not booing Shaq (However, I'm not saying that the people in LA are more polite/better/etc; simply that they behaved superior on this issue). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ya i didn't find it classes either, I just didn't do it because my brother was there and yea I really don't know how you can compare that to the Laker fans treating Shaq well. They have to because he gave them 3 championships while Kobe hasn't done anything for the Heat, besides get us Shaq.</div> Shaq has already conceded the fact that he undermined Penny and Kobe because of his own ego when he was young, and caused various friction leading to both breakups. The Laker Fans didn't have to cheer for him. Ah, but then one could say to them self, "The Heat don't owe Kobe anything, we can boo him and chant "Kobe sucks" on Xmas after we have the game wrapped up if we want to." This is in fact true (you all have that liberty). The only thing I'm saying is: that makes those who abuse this right, scum. It just wasn't proper.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Well the Laker Fans could easily have booed Shaq for various reasons but they didn't. If the Heat fans had known about Shaq being booed (in a hypothetical situation), I figured they'd be pissed and use that as some sort of pretext to boo Kobe in that gutless fashion (after they had the game wrapped up and on Christmas). In this theoretical example, chanting "Kobe sucks" would have been more understandable, which is the point. Obviously, this wasn't the case, so I feel that the Heat fans acted like infants.</div> Miami fans don't like Kobe for the same reasons that everyone else who dislikes him does, and it's also worse here because of Shaq being here and their previous relationship. Also, in "gutless fahsion"? I think your making this A LOT bigger than it really is. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The truth is that some fans are less brash than others, and I feel the Laker fans were on a higher moral level for not booing Shaq.</div> Since when do morals play into this situation? I'm sure if this were reverse and Shaq played for L.A because Wade drove him out of Miami you'd be chaning "Wade sucks" and other things as well, it's all a matter of the situation. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq has already conceded the fact that he undermined Penny and Kobe because of his own ego when he was young, and caused various friction leading to both breakups. The Laker Fans didn't have to cheer for him. Ah, but then one could say to them self, "The Heat don't owe Kobe anything, we can boo him and chant "Kobe sucks" on Xmas after we have the game wrapped up if we want to." This is in fact true (you all have that liberty). The only thing I'm saying is: that makes those who abuse this right, scum. It just wasn't proper.</div> This doesn't invole Shaq's ego either, it's a fact that Heat fans don't like Kobe and they probably never will because of the Shaq saga and what has he ever done for us? On the other hand, Shaq is a Laker legend, that'd be like the Bulls booing Jordan when he returned with the Wizards(I'm not saying Shaq is on MJ's level but they each delivered championships and MVP's to their respective organizations.) Your right we don't owe Kobe anyhting, just like we don't owe any oposing superstar other than former players anything because what have they done for the Heat? In the end, it's all about what's happened in the past between Kobe and Shaq, and because Heat fans think Wade is the better player. I bet if Wade or Shaq came in and stunk up the place like Kobe did in L.A, the same thing would happen to them.
<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Miami fans don't like Kobe for the same reasons that everyone else who dislikes him does, and it's also worse here because of Shaq being here and their previous relationship. Also, in "gutless fahsion"? I think your making this A LOT bigger than it really is.</div> Well, I could say it was "weak" as shapecity stated in another thread. I don't feel like discussing semantics right now, but I just feel it was wrong. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Since when do morals play into this situation? I'm sure if this were reverse and Shaq played for L.A because Wade drove him out of Miami you'd be chaning "Wade sucks" and other things as well, it's all a matter of the situation.</div> No doubt, if the Laker Fans had said Wade sucks on Xmas at the end of the game, that would be uncalled for as well. Although, there is no guarantee that they would have chanted Wade sucks. Unfortunately, Miami fans did (still, I love Miami in general, just for the record). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> This doesn't invole Shaq's ego either, it's a fact that Heat fans don't like Kobe and they probably never will because of the Shaq saga and what has he ever done for us? On the other hand, Shaq is a Laker legend, that'd be like the Bulls booing Jordan when he returned with the Wizards(I'm not saying Shaq is on MJ's level but they each delivered championships and MVP's to their respective organizations.) Your right we don't owe Kobe anyhting, just like we don't owe any oposing superstar other than former players anything because what have they done for the Heat? </div> All I wanted to point was that neither the Laker fans nor the Heat fans had to applaud for anyone. But the LA fans did and that was nice; what Miami did wasn't. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> In the end, it's all about what's happened in the past between Kobe and Shaq, and because Heat fans think Wade is the better player. I bet if Wade or Shaq came in and stunk up the place like Kobe did in L.A, the same thing would happen to them. </div> That's not known for certain. But if it does happen in the future, I will be displeased with LA.
I still don't see the big deal in chanting "____ sucks"......it's the fans jobs to annoy, nag, and to a certain level disrespect the competition about their game.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I still don't see the big deal in chanting "____ sucks"......it's the fans jobs to annoy, nag, and to a certain level disrespect the competition about their game.</div> Well this brings up semantics again. I still consider it a low move. <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's weak because of the timing of it all. If you plan on chanting "Kobe sucks" shouldn't you do it all game long? What's the point of chanting it after you already have the game won? It's not going to have any effect on the player mentally after they already know they've been embarrassed on national TV and have no chance of winning.</div> I apologize for continuing to quote you shape, but you keep stealing the words right out of my mouth.
Yeah, I think ideally fans should just cheer for their team and respect the opponents. Of course, that's not going to happen. So, if they're going to boo/taunt the opponent, do it when it might help your team (they need to make a pressure basket, or they're at the free throw line, etc.). If you only start the taunting once they've gotten blown out, that's just being a mean-spirited. It's like taunting a player when they're injured (though not quite that bad).
*dream flashes back to saturday night when him and a couple of rowdies screamed "take one of em out" and "we want clippers blood" after Yao got injured*....it was all in fun though....
Kobe got owned on Christmas Day like last year. Last year it was about Shaq and Kobe, but now it has turned in to Kobe vs. Wade and Wade owned Kobe. Wright played great defense on Kobe. Kobe's supporting cast didn't give him much help. Heat had too many offensive powers that were hitting shots. But still Wade outplayed Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe got owned on Christmas Day like last year. Last year it was about Shaq and Kobe, but now it has turned in to Kobe vs. Wade and Wade owned Kobe. Wright played great defense on Kobe. Kobe's supporting cast didn't give him much help. Heat had too many offensive powers that were hitting shots. But still Wade outplayed Kobe.</div> Why do you make stuff up?
