<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread sucks</div> Why come in here to tell us that? I think it's a pretty interesting topic.
what about dennis rodman? didnt he learn the triangle offense within a few weeks or something? also the fact that he was a monster on the boards while being slightly undersized and a shut down defender in nearly all 5 positions. swish15 you mention payton as a player with high iq, but he couldnt figure out the triangle offense, along with malone. makes you wonder then, role players like steve kerr etc could understand it, but hof's like payton and malone cant, then does that mean superstars/allstars arent necessarily "smart" players
MJ in his last 2 seasons for Chicago had worked out how to make the game easier for himself and his teammates. He took over from what Magic and Larry brought to basketball, making it easier by being a team on the court. Based on that, the highest IQ in basketball today is Tim Duncan due to his personality and interests not being anywhere else other then basketball and winning that championship. Thats why he has 3 of the past 7 rings on his fingers. He isnt one to speak up about why he isnt paid enough. He does his job to win basketball games and his quiet personality and cry baby persona is just the critics not finding anything else wrong with him to begin attacking him. Duncan has the best basketball IQ not only because of this, but because of how easier he makes it for Ginobilli, Parker, and every one in that spurs uniform. Not only does he make it easier, he frees them up and gives them passes in places theyre free and comfortable making shots in. He knows when he must shoot it, and when he does its always high %. One other thing. He uses the backboard why? Because its an easier shot! All these guys tryin to shoot hitting rim should take a lesson from the man who is called Mr. Fundamental for a reason.
Brian Scalabrine... Danny's Brain Doctor said Veal has the same BBIQ as Larry Legend...shame he doesnt have a single basketball skill to go with that HUGE brain
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread sucks</div> Because he has no original thread ideas and it takes less energy and brain power to cut someone down (who has already gotten 25 responses to a day old thread) than it does to spark up and original idea. Maybe instead of throwing insults to the people on the site trying, and putting in the effort to make this board better, you should harness that energy and put it to good use. I'm sure you have knowledge of the game and some points to get across, attempt to share them instead of fighting personal battles you can't win. In my eys, revolutionary guys like Magic, Bird, MJ, Stockton, Isiah had great Bball IQ. Before them, players like West, Cousy, Walton were very cerebral players. Today's generation has ground breaking players like Kidd, Nash, Duncan and probably the whole Detroit squad knows things before they happen. Seeing things a step ahead of everyone else, knowing what needs to be done, not being the one watching it happen, that's what having that bball IQ is about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread sucks</div> random. I think players like Chuck Hayes has pretty high basketball IQs. When he is on the court he boexes out well, gives 200%, boxes out really well, sometimes gets you 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possesion, boxes out, and when he gets the ball he knows how to muscle it into the basket. I really think he can turn into a player LIKE Dennis Rodman. A perfect fit next to Yao Ming. We would have to get rid of Van Gundy before that could happen. My vote goes to John Stockton though. BTW, quit nagging on Swift. He was the highlight of the Rockets season (well at least for me). His 1-2 NICE dunks a game gave me a reason to still watch Rockets games when we were losing (practically the whole season). My vote for lowest bball IQ goes to <u>Tony Battie.</u> I remember his coach would tell him to at least act like he was playing D.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think players like Chuck Hayes has pretty high basketball IQs. When he is on the court he boexes out well, gives 200%, boxes out really well, sometimes gets you 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possesion, boxes out, and when he gets the ball he knows how to muscle it into the basket. I really think he can turn into a player LIKE Dennis Rodman. A perfect fit next to Yao Ming. We would have to get rid of Van Gundy before that could happen. My vote goes to John Stockton though. BTW, quit nagging on Swift. He was the highlight of the Rockets season (well at least for me). His 1-2 NICE dunks a game gave me a reason to still watch Rockets games when we were losing (practically the whole season). My vote for lowest bball IQ goes to <u>Tony Battie.</u> I remember his coach would tell him to at least act like he was playing D.</div> Lol, I just found this funny. Anyways, to me the player with the highest IQ is Jason Kidd. The guy is a player and a coach on the court. When Toronto played New Jersey 2 weeks ago, it was Kidd, not Lawrence Frank that told Jefferson to guard Bosh and it was successful.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Because he has no original thread ideas and it takes less energy and brain power to cut someone down (who has already gotten 25 responses to a day old thread) than it does to spark up and original idea. Maybe instead of throwing insults to the people on the site trying, and putting in the effort to make this board better, you should harness that energy and put it to good use. I'm sure you have knowledge of the game and some points to get across, attempt to share them instead of fighting personal battles you can't win. </div> Whatever........this is a dumb thread because you all keep mentioning all stars. All stars are good Basketball players because they are athletic and can acomplish things a good coach tells them to do. That dosen't necessarily mean they have high Basketball IQ's. You could argue that JKidd has a good IQ, because he is a very good player and not exactly the most gifted athletically. How can someone say Jordan. Jordan used ridiculous athleticism to become the greatest NBA player. Late in his career, the fade away became his bread and butter. As we all know, fade aways are difficult shots and don't lend themselves to be good choices for important shots...except when you are ridiculously gifted like Jordan was. When you say of High Basketball IQ's, i think of crafty verterns, who know how to get things done, even when they are at a disadvantage physically, or athletically. Of course someone who sees the court well and makes good deccisions on the court have good IQ's, but i'm sure alot of bench players have forgotten more about basketball then alot of other players will ever know..... I LOVE YOU KICKSDADDY!!!!
norespect, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash aren't very athletic guys and look where their IQ takes them there are also many All Stars that use their IQ to their advantage. Everyone knows Jordan wasn't that athletic in his final seasons so he used his IQ more and yes he had a great IQ because I think he used his IQ more than his athleticism. Oh man your cool shoutin out kicksdaddy he's probably right to.
highest: steve nash, jason kidd, brent barry, kg, shaq (vastly improved over the years), chauncey billups lowest: mike james, chris bosh, mo. pete, sam mitchell, pape sow
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh man your cool shoutin out kicksdaddy he's probably right to</div>. Thank you friend. See, everytime you try to put me on blast, you aren't on point. However, I will say this. I am proud that you finally put some thought into the discussion and brought it. Don't take all your time and direct it attacking me. That's not good IQ. However, putting your knowledge towards the thread, you just said something half on point and half off. Jordan had more than IQ. His developing of that fade was his IQ. Knowing he couldn't do the things he used to be able to do, he developed in other areas to compensate for what he lost. Hakeem The Dream did the same thing. When he couldn't dominate on the block like in the 80's, he came out with all that crazy stuff in the mid 90's. Go watch what IQ does to athleticism when he ate up MVP David Robinson in the playoffs, then man handled Shaq in the Finals. Jordan knew who was doing what before they knew what they were gonna do. That's knowing the game. Nash isn't the quickest, doesnt jump high, he is an All Star, yes, but if he was a dumb player, or had even average IQ, he wouldnt be about to win back to back MVP's. The "crafty" veterans become that way, due to spending years learning. Look at how Sam Perkins lost every ounce of athleticism he had back at UNC, but played for years and started because he was so adept to what was going on, you couldn't afford to not have him on the floor. Very rare do young kids come in the L with a high bball IQ. Chuck Hayes is a great example, and it's usually the guys who had to learn how to compensate for what they lack in natural ability. KILLIN' EM SOFTLY.......................................
Chris Webber is a player who comes to mind that has a high bball IQ, maybe not so much when he played in college though...
I'm glad that somebody gave Battier some credit. My pick would be KG, the man doesn't miss a beat. You'll often notice that after he scores in the paint he immediately picks up the other teams point guard to try and steal the inbound, or at least waves his arm in their face to prevent the quick pass. He single-handedly hurts fast break teams that way. Lowest IQ would probably be someone like Darius Miles or Cuttino Mobley. I can't even count the number of times that I've seen Cat run into his own pg off the pick and roll, makes the same mistakes over and over.
now: Kidd, Duncan, Horry. then: Stockton, Russel, Maravich. lowest? uh look at the last guy on every bench for that one.
