Politics Hillary Clinton says Tulsi Gabbard is a 'Russian asset' groomed to ensure Trump reelection

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    I think his name rhymes with Schlump.

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    I understand why Republicans are making the bullshit access argument - they don't have any other defense. Aside from the dumbest among them, they surely know it's bullshit. But it is an attempt to defend their party aka Trump, and distract from the substance of the inquiry.

    Tulsi is harder to figure. What does she gain by going on Hannity and repeating false Republican talking points?

    Maybe she's planning on switching parties altogether? Maybe she figures with Trump being impeached, the R primary is the place to be?

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    That possibility did cross my mind. I don't think Trump will be impeached though.
     
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    Really? I think it's probably 90% that he'll be impeached. Removed from office, that's a much lower number.

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    I kind of think there's about a 50% shot of impeachment and like a 0.1 percent shot at removing him from office. Then on the other side of that, I'm not actually sure if he was impeached if that keeps him from being elected again. From the little bit of reading I've done, it seems there are different opinions legally about that.
     
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    Interesting. Do you think Democrats are going to get cold feet about impeachment, or are you thinking that somehow evidence comes out that Trump didn't extort Ukraine after all?

    If he gets impeached but not removed, I don't see what would keep him from running again.
    If he gets removed, I don't know if he could legally run again, but if he did I doubt it would be as the Republican nominee.

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    I like that corruption is being exposed and frankly I don’t care from where..
    I like it when politicians eat their own and display uncover reality in politics.
    I can’t imagine as time goes on there will continue to be Only Two parties and debates only involving the two parties.
    Competition should improve the talent pool and keep things straight for us people.
     
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    I think it will be hard to prove one way or another that Trump had a quid pro quo with Ukraine, now maybe there will be some paper trail or something somewhere that comes up, but it seems to me that it'll amount to your word vs my word type of argument. Which is probably enough for most of us as we know who we would most likely believe, Trump might be dumb enough who knows to have hard evidence laying around somewhere, but if you line 50 people up and 25 say he did it and 25 say he didn't, not sure how that would actually work out.

    I wouldn't be surprised if from this they found something else to get him on though, that is assuming this isn't all just political figures doing their thing...
     
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    My jokes are probably pretty close to Evan Turners 3 pt shot percentage Lanny....that's why I keep practicing!
     
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    I think it's more likely that the two-party stuff gets stronger from this, not weaker. I think if anything the last half-decade or so has proven that there are enough people on the extremes, or close enough to those extremes that the parties can pander to those extremes and only really think about the middle or third parties for 6 months or so during the general election process.
     
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    The newest trend is to quit your party and then be insulted...join the other party and insult back...the wheels on the truck go round and round, round and round, round and round. The GOP is losing more party members to this trend than the dems are though...when you fire a hundred republican officials and cabinet members they're going to resurface with a vengeance..when you insult your national security agents and intelligence professionals you've made some really skilled enemies.
     
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    I don't know what to say here, I've heard every couple years for a decade, "the GOP's done", "the DNC is done", yet both keep chugging along... So you're guess is probably better than mine, but I have no idea.
     
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    If Lebron and AD join the Lakers it's not because they're loyal ..it's because they want to be on the winning side...politics mirrors sports...including complaining about the rules or the refs....in my view every Senator that crashed that private interview behind closed doors is like the bench flooding onto a basketball court during play...they should all be fined and suspended without pay
     
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    First, they don't need to prove it. Impeachment is akin to filing charges, not conviction.
    Second, a quid pro quo is not necessary for impeachment. Any high crime or misdemeanor will do, and abuse of power is definitely impeachable.

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    When Trump first entered the arena it seemed he was hiding tax shelters, payola and witness tampering in active investigations concerning Mueller's process...that's clearly obstruction which is what I believe they already have evidence of and now even more dangerous to Trump is his pay for play tactic with the Ukraine and use of private citizens hired to protect his own interests representing govt financial aid to a country just invaded by Russia...the whole situation we have in DC is going to be an Oscar winning movie in a few years.
     
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    Yes, but you need to have some basis on those charges, the basis being evidence. Is just we found some people who said it happened evidence enough for an impeachment? I'm not really sure. This is why I think the chances are about 50/50 because I think that's about all the evidence they'll have from this is some people saying it happened, and some saying it didn't. This is also why I think it'll be very unlikely that he'll be removed from office, that and there is enough people in the GOP to stop it.

    At the end of the day, Impeachment seems to not many thorns to it, unless he's removed from office.
     
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    Yes, when those people are credible, which they are. Also you have Trump's confession and Mulvaney's confession.

    Who is saying it didn't? The best defense witness so far (Sondland) says he 'doesn't recall'.

    That's a whole nother kettle of fish, and I agree with you - unless Republican senators suddenly develop a sense of right and wrong, he won't be removed.

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    Whose credible or not is subjective to some extent. I bet there are people here who would discredit the people you are saying are credible and vice versa.
    Also, how do you know who the best witnesses, either way, have been so far it's not public information at this point.
     
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    Sure, but do you think Democrats in congress care what Marzy and Maris think? It isn't S2 posters that decide whether to impeach, it's congresspeople.

    If there was actually any exculpatory information in the testimony, it would have been leaked already. The fact that Republicans are attacking the process should tell you they don't have any facts on their side.

    The opening statements that have been published have been pretty damning.

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    No but I hope the democrats in congress arent only considering it “credible” testimony if its something they want to hear.

    On the 2nd part not sure about the leaks, but if you say so.

    I guess the crux to me is Im still not sure they’ll have enough to impeach him, and Im still very certain that if do it wont amount to much because the GOP unfortunately isnt going to let it.
     

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