Politics Hillary, Trump win primaries, Jeb quits

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/how-donald-trump-defeats-hillary-clinton-217868

    The rest of Trump’s path to general-election victory, as laid out to POLITICO by pollsters, his campaign and his former advisers, looks like this: After winning the nomination on the first ballot, Trump unifies the party he has fractured behind him and reinvents himself as a pragmatic businessman and family man at the Republican National Convention. News of small-scale terror plots on American soil, foiled or successful, keep voters in a state of anxiety. Trump minimizes his losses with Hispanics by running Spanish-language ads highlighting his support for a strong military and take-charge entrepreneurial attitude, especially in the Miami and Orlando media markets. He draws the starkest possible outsider-insider contrast with Hillary Clinton and successfully tars her with her husband’s sexual history.

    If he does all that, holds Mitt Romney’s states, and drives extraordinary levels of working-class white voter turnout in the suburbs and exurbs of Ohio and Virginia, as well as in the Florida panhandle and Jacksonville, he can flip those three Obama states and rack up 266 electoral votes. Winning any one of Iowa, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Colorado, Nevada or New Mexico would put him over the top and make Donald John Trump the 45th president of the United States.

    (Of course this assumes Hillary wins most of the states Obama won. Start with the states W won, and the story is much different)
     
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    If Trump tries to sell the Mexicans on a stronger military to get some of their votes, he is making a huge mistake. Mexicans are a very peace loving people. Mexico has one of the longest runs of peace in the world.

    The last war Mexico fought ended in 1917, almost 100 years ago. The last war Mexico participated in was WWII. They sent a few troops to the Pacific, however, the number was so small, I can not find it. The only mention is Mexican airplanes in the Philippines. Their missions included reconnaissance, air support, airmail and mapmaking, but no mention of actual combat..

    All of the combat wars in the entire history of Mexico were either fought over the boundaries of their country with the USA, or, for their independence, first from Spain, and then from France.
     
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    I'm shocked at how Hispanics here oppose amnesty. Trump's ugly stance on immigration might have unexpected appeal.
     
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    Go Obama "Hope and Change!"
    :smack:
     
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    Jeb pumps in 15 mil in Iowa and he walks away a loser.
     
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    I still think Trump is a master marketer, selling the GOP right what it wants to hear. His views not long ago were so different. But, that said, I have to admit he is a gifted orator and a natural politician, for good and ill.
     
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    In the 1990s, every time Republicans ratcheted up news coverage of that, Clinton's poll numbers jumped up. People want looser sexual rules and love him for that. Republicans never figured that out.
     
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    And then the people elected W over Gore. Yes, W beat Gore no matter how much you protest you sore loserman.

    Clinton Fatigue was what they called it.
     
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    - Donald Trump
     
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    That's just bullshit and you know it.

    The SCOTUS elected Bush v Gore. Because that MF cheated in both elections he "won"....
     
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    Bullshit. No recount ever had Gore ahead in Florida. He didn't win, period.

    The court ruled 7-2 that Gore was trying to steal the election. 5-4 that starting a proper recount was too late. That recount would have shown W won.
     
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    It just shouldn't be funded with taxpayer dollars. I'd donate.
     
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    Taxpayers don't pay for abortions. Planned Parenthood charges for those. There are plenty of things that should be defunded before Planned Parenthood. Republicans know that taxpayers don't pay for abortions. They simply want to defund Planned Parenthood because it helps poor black people.

    Yes I said it...
     
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    Wow... there was no such ruling that Gore was trying to steal the election... there should have been a recount and you know it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

    Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed.
    The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.

    The second and separate survey, conducted on behalf of the Palm Beach Post, shows that Mr Gore had a majority of 682 votes among the discounted "dimpled" ballots in Palm Beach county.

    In each case, if the newly examined votes had been allowed to count in the November election, Mr Gore would have won Florida's 21 electoral college votes by a narrow majority and he, not Mr Bush, would be the president. Instead, Mr Bush officially carried Florida by 537 votes after recounts were stopped.

    In spite of the findings, no legal challenge to the Florida result is possible in the light of the US supreme court's 5-4 ruling in December to hand the state to Mr Bush. But the revelations will continue to cast a cloud, to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr Bush's election.

    Some 56,000 so-called "overvotes" were examined in the Washington Post survey. All of these ballot papers were ruled to be invalid votes on November 7 because they contained two or more punched holes in the presidential section of the ballot. Twelve Florida counties used voting machines where voting was by punch cards in this way, and eight of them participated in the survey: Broward, Highlands, Hillsborough, Marion, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Pasco and Pinellas. None of the ballot papers in the survey formed part of any official count or recount.

    The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total) contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr Bush.

    In cases where the voters cast invalid "overvotes" in the presidential election, but then cast valid votes in the US senate contest lower down on the same ballot, 70% voted Democrat, Mr Gore's party, and only 24% voted Republican.

    The disproportion was especially dramatic in Palm Beach, whose butterfly ballot paper interleaved two lists of candidates in such a way as to show Mr Gore's name second on the ballot paper, but to require the voter to punch the third hole to record a vote for him.

    Though no absolute conclusions can be drawn from the overvotes, the implication that many thousands more invalidated Floridians intended to vote for Mr Gore than for Mr Bush seems hard to resist. The survey also clearly implies that some of Florida's voting machines were inadequate and that many voters were confused by the procedure.

    In the second survey, the Palm Beach Post examined 4,513 dimpled "undervotes" - so named because no hole was punched in the ballot paper - and which were excluded from the November and December manual recount process. In each case, the Palm Beach county canvassing board ruled that no vote had been cast on these ballots but Democratic or Republican observers disputed the ruling. The ballots in the survey had been set aside for a possible court-ordered review that never took place.

    Of the disputed ballots, some 2,500 had dimples for Mr Gore, while 1,818 had similar marks for Mr Bush. If they had been counted, Mr Gore would have had a net gain of 682 votes. This would have been in addition to a separate net gain of 174 votes from Palm Beach which was disallowed by Florida's secretary of state.
     
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    Not to mention all of the disenfranchised black voters who were kicked off the rolls.
     
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    Bernie Sanders once entered a Bernie Sanders lookalike contest in Nevada. He came in second place. Hillary Clinton won.
     
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    I'm not surprised Jeb quit, but when he announced he was running I figured he would easily be a frontrunner. I would not have predicted that he would be out so early. Kind of surprising how poor of a candidate he was. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, but he was pretty exposed in the debates and during his campaign.

    Edit: I guess the fact that I sort of feel bad for him, just shows how poor of a candidate he was. You don't want to feel as though your president is pathetic. He must have thought he would win on lineage alone.
     
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    (please clap)

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    Trump thinks like I do. While I am disgusted by the thought of and abortion, I am also appalled by the idea of forcing a woman to bring forth children that she has no intention of raising and has no help to do it either. We do not need more feral children.
    So Yes, I would have a clinic, as many as required in every urban area of the Nation. Jail the bastard selling parts, but we do not need to force more feral children into this world.
    Perhaps the teaching of Jesus could change this state and make it possible to eliminate such despicable practices, but we are far from that place.
     
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    Your faith in Trump rivals those in 2008 who thought Obama was going to magically cure all the world's ills.

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