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  1. BrianFromWA

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    Yao, 16/11 per game in our playoff series, from a consistent All-Star 20/10 center. He's never averaged lower than that in the playoffs (and not since his rookie season in general).

    Contrast with, Aaron Brooks, rookie, who averaged 15ppg on 45% shooting (45% from 3 as well) in the playoffs. He averaged 10ppg during the year on 40% shooting, 36.6% from 3.

    So our centers were "owned" by a guy held to 4ppg less than his average, while Blake was "having trouble" with a guard who upped his production 50% and his shooting by 5 to 10%? I respectfully disagree.
     
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    Well, if we're going by production increase, LMA was also abused by Scola, wasn't he? Hell, Scola shot 57% for the series.
     
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    He couldn't guard Rajon Rondo because Rose and Ben Gordon were. I'd rather have them guard Rondo also, if it meant the alternative was them guarding Allen.

    You're the one that insisted that Blake played better in the Playoffs. That's the reason why those stats were given.
     
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    You'd rather put your "best perimeter defender" on Ray Allen, who still kicked ass, over Rajon Rondo, who averaged a triple-double FOR THE SERIES?
     
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    i think hinrich is a better player than sessions. he's good defensively and is a solid pg who can shoot. i wouldn't really call hinrich similar to blake. he's better at everything except for spot up shooting where blake probably has a small edge. hinrich is much better defensively, distributes better, and draws more fouls.

    i'll be please if the blazers come out of the draft with this ten man rotation

    pg - hinrich/bayless
    sg - roy/rudy
    sf - batum/webster
    pf - aldridge/blair
    c - oden/pryzbilla
     
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    So now your argument is that Blake's teams have been crappier than Hinrich's teams, so comparing career stats is unfair. Ok. You live in your world and I'll live in mine. The cool thing is that in my world Hinrich's a defensive stud muffin. I'm thinking that if they do trade for him, my world's closer to Pritchard's world than your's. I'm cool with that.
     
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    I don't see it, at least in terms of stopping a Rondo or Brooks. Oh well, let's see what happens. If they don't trade for Hinrich, I guess my world is closer to to Pritchard's than yours.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Sessions is younger and posts a better PER. While he was a reserve (as Hinrich has been lately), he started the final 40% of the season or so and continued to play very well with some big games.

    It's close right now since Hinrich is better defensively, but considering age and Sessions' likelihood of improving from his near 18 PER, I think Sessions has a decent chance to be a star while Hinrich is a solid role-player and isn't likely to be anything more the rest of his career.

    I think they play similar styles. Both are conservative point guards who have solid but unspectacular distributing abilities, distribute more from the wing than by slashing and shoot from the perimeter.

    I agree that Hinrich is slightly better at most things, except defense where he's much better.

    Yeah, that is exactly my "realistic and great" off-season. Fixes the team's two main holes quite perfectly: defense at point guard and the void at backup power forward.
     
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    If you want to say that Scola abused LMA, and was a factor in us losing the series, I find it a lot easier to agree with than the "Centers got owned, Blake just had a little trouble" story.
     
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    That wasn't my post. Although, looking back, it could be argued that Game One lost the series for Portland when the centers did get abused.
     
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    The majority of the time when Hinrich played, he did so with Rose and Gordon. Pierce, Rondo, and Allen made up the bulk of the Celtics minutest at the 1,2, and 3. I'd want Gordon and Rose guarding the least threatening offensive players at that time.

    I don't have anyway of proving who Hinrich was guarding the majority of the time. When I watched the games it appeared he was guarding everyone from Pierce, Allen to Rondo. When he was in the game, he did, overall, a wonderful job of doing so.
     
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    I can live with your opinion. I just don't think mine is so outrageous, considering the way Rondo and Allen killed the Bulls while their "best defender" did nothing to stop them, coach's fault or otherwise.
     
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    Over there careers:

    Kirk: 0.08 FT / min
    Steve: 0.037 FT / min

    Kirk is over twice as good at drawing fouls on the other team compared to Blake. That alone could have been huge in the Houston series this year, where we were struggling to find somebody other than Roy that could attack the defense.
     
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    I could live with Harry Potter if and ONLY if it is Blake and maybe Channing's non guaranteed deal for him..no Outlaw included
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    It's hard to say, though, whether he did or didn't do anything to stop them by looking at the stats. Hinrich played reserve minutes and spent time defending all three players (different amounts of time for each). Even if he defended them very well for the minutes he was on them, each of them (Rondo, Pierce and Allen) would have had enough minutes not being defended by Hinrich to go off.

    Personally, I don't think the numbers put up by Allen, Rondo and Pierce for the games tell us how Hinrich did defensively. Unless we can find their numbers for the minutes Hinrich was on them, opinions will basically have to the province of what each person witnessed while watching the series.

    My own impression was that Hinrich did a very nice job making his defensive assignment work hard for points and those three players had a lot more trouble scoring against him.
     
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    Dang it. I didn't think of that point. :)
     
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    LOL

    We just all want a title, don't we.
     
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    Many of us commented, especially during the Houston series, that the Blazers needed more toughness.

    I like the Hinrich/Joel comparison, Kirk may not be a huge upgrade over Blake in terms of offensive stats and he is no Rubio/Sessions, etc. in regard to pure PG ability but he is solid and, IMO, brings better defense and just as important, brings much more toughness to the team - a degree of nastiness I believe the Blazers needs.

    I'm not going to whoop over such a move, but I believe it is an upgrade.

    Gramps...
     
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    Blake played the entire Houston series with a RIGHT shoulder that required surgery after the season ended and has sidelined him this summer. Let's at least give him some credit for being tough over a guy (Hinrich) who missed 32 games this year. If tough is what you want, to not give Blake credit is almost unfair.
     
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    Different toughness, I'll give Blake toughness for playing through pain/injury but he isn't tough as in someone willing to go head-to-head with opponents; Hinrich is; enforcer type toughness, not toughing it out toughness.

    Gramps...
     

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