Hollinger on Blazers.....

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  1. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Lol, i actually thought it was funny =)
     
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    If the team listens to KP they draft Chris Paul

    SMH
     
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    The 7 in 8 years sounds a lot worse than it is. I mean, it's terrible, don't get me wrong. But it makes it sound like 7 of the last 8 picks. When in reality, I believe there's been about 17 picks or so in that time.
    I'm more amazed, depending on if you label Freeland a PF, we've only drafted 1 C in that time in the first round.
     
  4. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Jack, and Green?
     
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    Yeah, I'm only getting 6, unless he';s counting Elliot or Rudy as a PG for some dumb reason. Green was 2nd round.
     
  6. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Perhaps, but regardless it's a pretty crappy track record (even when you factor in the typical hit rate for players outside of the lottery).
     
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    What would the typical hit rate come out to, though? Telfair(13), Jack(22), Sergio(27), Kopo(30), Bayless(11), Nolan(21). None were high lotto picks. The average draft position of the 6 is 20th. And to be fair, Jack is a decent player, not a great PG, but a decent player, and a guy we could likely get by with. And it's way too soon to judge Nolan. I think the bigger issue is the lack of commitment to a player. Not to say any would have been great or horrible, or would have worked out well or what, but there was never a real commitment to any of those players for a decent period as our PG. Jack started one season here. Telfair had bits. Sergio only because of injuries, and same with Bayless. I know often there were better options, or a better fit, but it's tough to find a PG of the future if you don't commit to a PG of the future with them.
    And I don't want to place that on Nate, and get into a Nate hates rookies sort of thing, because that's not the case. But Telfair was drafted, then you draft Jack, who starts his second year. Sergio and Kopo were both late flyers of another regime, Bayless being the thought of a PGOTF from KP, and then he leaves, and you get another guy, another vision, he's gone, and then we go with Felton,a nd then Nolan.
    I don't know if you find your PGOTF that way. I could be wrong. Obviously, there's not just one way of doing things.
    Just trying to look at other teams, and their PGs.
    Jrue started over half his rookie year, and every game since.
    Rondo 25 his rookie year, and every game since.
    Deron half his rookie year, and every game since.
    Rose every game
    Jennings every game
    Irving every game so far
    Conley pretty consistently since his rookie year
    Westbrook 65 as a rookie, and ever since.

    Seems like most teams with a solid foundation at PG commited to them early on. Obviously, you can look at it and say it is easier to commit to it if they have that talent. Jrue and Rondo, at least, were outside lotto picks, and their teams rolled with it. I think there comes a point where you have to say you're making that commitment, and do it, and allow that player to grow. jack could have very easily grew to be our PG currently. Maybe Bayless could have. Maybe, we move Felton in a month, and commit to Nolan. I dunno
     
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    Link?

    The team listened to KP and they drafted Oden. SMH
     
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    Find the link yourself if you're that interested in it. I know you can do it.
     
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    lol, don't have a link because there isn't one.
     
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    I could find it. I just don't feel the need to prove anything to you.

    Sorry
     
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    Liar.
     
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    I guess I was wrong

    Looks like you can't do it

    smh
     
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    Keep telling yourself its true.
     
  15. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Ideas as to who he included if you change his verb. It has to be a PG drafted in the #1 round.

    We traded the pick that everyone knew would be used on #1 PG Deron Williams.

    Denver drafted #1 PG Jarrett Jack, then on draft day traded him to us for Kleiza, so you might think of Jack as our pick. We later traded him and Rush for #1 PG Bayless.

    That makes 7, like Hollinger said.

    Telfair
    Deron Williams
    Jarrett Jack
    Sergio
    Bayless
    Petteri Koponen
    Nolan Smith
     
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  16. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Problem is, we didn't use any #1 picks to trade for Sergio or Petteri. And our trade of the Deron Williams pick doesn't fit into the above quote by Hollinger. So it's back to Square 1--Hollinger was wrong.
     
  17. RR7

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    I don't think that part was Hollinger. I think that was from Blazers Edge.
     
  18. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Oh, okay. The thread title made me think it was Hollinger.
     

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