Politics Homeless people gain ‘de facto right’ to sleep on sidewalks through federal court

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  1. Chris Craig

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    This is a very personal issue to me as I have been homeless. I get emotional about it.

    I get wanting to look at it from the angle you are aiming at, but the issue of homelessness has to be solved from a human angle because we are dealing with human beings.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    We need to shoulder ours and other cities need to shoulder theirs
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    But that isn't happening. They're shipping them to our city. So that's a problem that needs to be addressed.
     
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  4. Chris Craig

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    I agree.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm not sure how the hell you address it though, if it's happening covertly. Create a federal law that would carry prison time?
     
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    You've made this claim several times...
    Do you have any evidence or proof to back that claim up?

    You can't just use the percentage of the nation's homeless population. If I were homeless in Denver or Salt Lake during the winter - I'd sure as hell look to move to another part of the country. If I was in Vegas or Phoenix in the summer - I'd be moving too.

    Portland has a relatively moderate climate, which I suspect is a big driver in the homeless population.
     
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    Agreed. So instead of paying the less than $10k per year to house them, we're spending $30k per year to keep them on the streets. The ignorance of it all is mind blowing.
     
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    Which is why we should at least home those who can prove they are from here.

    Then we'll have to figure out what to do with the rest.

    But we're literally spending enough to house triple the population right now, so we'll have some time to figure it out.
     
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    I get that as well. I'm just not very good at dealing with it from that angle as I don't have the ammunition to deal with the conversations that often leads to.
     
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    Just address homelessness nation wide. Have each state pay a per capita fee, or reduce subsidies to each state by that amount.

    It's far less expensive than not dealing with it.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...t-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study

    https://www.streetroots.org/news/20...n-patient-dumping-nevada-psychiatric-hospital

    Move how? They have no money. How do they get from Phoenix to Portland?
     
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    I used to do intakes for Portland's version of this program. It mostly pays for greyhound tickets and gas money and sometimes plane tickets. Some homeless folks found a way to game the system and would sign up and just pocket the per diem that was offered to people who were taking long bus rides.
     
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    I think the main gripe specifically was Nevada putting mentally ill people on buses with no plan for when they got there.
     
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    There's hitch hiking. If I'm in that situation, I'd find a way.

    Looks like California (primarily SF & LA) has been one of the biggest abusers of doing this. But again - Portland has their own program to ship homeless to other parts of the country.
     
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    A pitbull with a dog run along the sidewalk should work....or install a sprinkler system on the edge of the walk.....nobody puts a tent on top of a puddle of water or next to an angry pitbull
     
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    Give them housing.
    Force them to work for it.
    Provide mental health support and training.
     
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    Half of fires in LA are related to Homeless encampments.

     
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    absolutely right! We'll start by giving them your house! you can still live there and give them counseling and teach them about swords and shit! St Vincent de Paul does housing for the disabled here....they charge 165 bucks a month rent for nice small condos and disabled services gives them caregivers several hours a week and disability checks to live on. Jimmy Carter is doing his part as well....it's not enough though
     
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    You wanted to watch the world burn .....you moved to the right place bro!
     
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    NIMBY
     
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