<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post"> Wait, what about straight people that can't have kids? They aren't supposed to be that way either? They were punished for some reason?</div> You're entirely missing the point. The normal way for a couple to have kids is the man fertilizing the woman's egg and she gets pregnant and has a baby. A woman can't get another woman pregnant therefore, lesbian couples can't have children because a man must play a role in the whole process. I would think if same sex couples were okay with God then He would allow them to be able to have kids together. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And let me point out here that lesbian couples can have kids the same way a straight couple where the man is sterile can, via artificial insemination.</div> Key word being artificial. It's not natural. Lesbian couples can't have kids the natural way. It's not even the non-pregnant woman's kid. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd think that if God didn't want anyone to have babies unless it was via intercourse, He would have made in-vitro insemination impossible.</div> There's a lotta things that God allows to happen in this world. God doesn't like murder or adultery, but it still happens. Why He lets it happen nobody knows and probably no one ever will.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post"> My views are one sided because my views are the truth. Agree or disagree, whatever, but these are my views, those are your views.</div> Your views are an opinion. NOT the truth. I don't agree with a word you say. In fact, beyond the computer screen i think sits a gay man/woman afraid more than anything.. and if you don't support homosexuals why is Jay-Z in your sig?..
I think that religion has played a big part in these debates. Well sometimes beliefs get out of hand as well. People sometimes forget the message and dwell to deep in their beliefs it kind of clouds what is right and what is wrong. People should be allowed to be happy with whomever they want. That's the plain fact. That's the way God wanted it. Just because a couple is gay doesn't mean that people have the power to deny them of the right to have children. A lot of the arguements brought up in this debate were about "How God doesn't want this" and "God doesn't want that to happen". You can't really push your religious beliefs onto others and expect them to accept it as if it's the truth. All of these regualtions against gay marriage and gay pregnancy are really founded on Religion rather than the morality of the situation. I don't know about you guys but I thought it was a free country.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spree:</div><div class="quote_post">Your views are an opinion. NOT the truth. I don't agree with a word you say. In fact, beyond the computer screen i think sits a gay man/woman afraid more than anything.. and if you don't support homosexuals why is Jay-Z in your sig?..</div> immature post
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that religion has played a big part in these debates. Well sometimes beliefs get out of hand as well. People sometimes forget the message and dwell to deep in their beliefs it kind of clouds what is right and what is wrong. People should be allowed to be happy with whomever they want. That's the plain fact. That's the way God wanted it.</div>He wants to be happy the natural way, the way he created us. He didn't create Adam and Steve, he created Adam and Eve. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Just because a couple is gay doesn't mean that people have the power to deny them of the right to have children. A lot of the arguements brought up in this debate were about "How God doesn't want this" and "God doesn't want that to happen". You can't really push your religious beliefs onto others and expect them to accept it as if it's the truth. </div>I'm not trying to. I am giving my reasons behind not supporting gays. I don't feel I, or anyone else, is pushing our religious beliefs on anyone. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> All of these regualtions against gay marriage and gay pregnancy are really founded on Religion rather than the morality of the situation. I don't know about you guys but I thought it was a free country.</div>What is your defination of a free country? This isn't an anarchy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Team Steven 01:</div><div class="quote_post">i read bits and pieces of everyones posts. I belive that homosexuality is like the racism of today, and many people are having trouble accepting it. If your playing basketball with a gay person, there not going to try and like touch you, or feel you, or play any different than a straight guy would. They probably wouldnt do much talking either so they wouldnt be acting over-feminine or anything. just my thoughts, is there anyone gay in this board, maybe they can comment.</div> I don't know if I agree with that... if i happen to play a girl i find attractive at basketball, i'm going to be taking every opportunity to get a few grabs in. Just the possibility of a gay man liking all the contact in a game is enough to freak some people out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">He wants to be happy the natural way, the way he created us. He didn't create Adam and Steve, he created Adam and Eve.</div> As I'm saying you are referring to the bible, which in turn says that religious beliefs play a huge part in ones opinion. It should be more of a question about the people rather religion. If you want to deny Gays and Lesbians the right to marriage and having children you are basically saying that Gay's and Lesbians are lesser people than us and don't deserve the same rights. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not trying to. I am giving my reasons behind not supporting gays. I don't feel I, or anyone else, is pushing our religious beliefs on anyone.</div> I started this religion stuff in response to Emo and Sactowne dimes comments not yours. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What is your defination of a free country? This isn't an anarchy.</div> But you are denying them their rights as humans. It may not be anarchy but it ain't right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">As I'm saying you are referring to the bible, which in turn says that religious beliefs play a huge part in ones opinion. It should be more of a question about the people rather religion. If you want to deny Gays and Lesbians the right to marriage and having children you are basically saying that Gay's and Lesbians are lesser people than us and don't deserve the same rights.</div>Yes, I am basing my beliefs on what I believe in, God. I am not saying that Gay's and Lesbians are lesser people. But their marriages should not be considered true legal marriages IMO. It was meant to be between a woman and a man. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I started this religion stuff in response to Emo and Sactowne dimes comments not yours.</div>Ok, I'll let them respond then. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> But you are denying them their rights as humans. It may not be anarchy but it ain't right.</div> What right's am I denying them? Should we also allow people to have sex with animals? Its a free country isn't it? (I know its a drastic analogy but you get the point)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post"> Should we also allow people to have sex with animals? Its a free country isn't it? (I know its a drastic analogy but you get the point)</div> HA thats great. I guess I really don't how GOD relates to this topic 'Homosexuals in the NBA.' It was brought off topic - but in the end I still believe people are just too homophobic to accept gays in today's society let alone the NBA. I remember a while back people didn't even accept others dating outside of their race. Whenever a black/white person dated it was considered terrible and god wouldn't accept them. Now this is almost the same situation - except it's with the same race. But what I want to know is, wouldn't god accept you no matter what? And if he didn't, how would he even know?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, I am basing my beliefs on what I believe in, God. I am not saying that Gay's and Lesbians are lesser people. But their marriages should not be considered true legal marriages IMO. It was meant to be between a woman and a man.</div>Is that Legal being that God would allow it? Or a Government passing a law? I am religious but I'm not THAT strict on religion to deny anyone their rights as humans. I guess we agree to disagree on that one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What right's am I denying them? </div>The right to get married and have children <font size="1">(actually that was sactowne and emo's opinions but you get the point). </font><font size="2">You say that it should not be allowed because they are Gay and Lesbian. I say it should because everyone deserves to be treated equally.</font> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Should we also allow people to have sex with animals? Its a free country isn't it? (I know its a drastic analogy but you get the point)</div>I think there is a big difference between a man having sex with an animal and a man having sex with a man. It's a funny analogy but it is way out of this world. Ice couldn't have put it any better IMO. We are all God's creatures, I don't think he would hate on anyone if they were Gay or Lesbian.
If we can allow Same-sex marriage in certian states like Massachusetts then why can't we allow polygamy and incestous marriage. Are we not denying the rights to those people?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post"> HA thats great. I guess I really don't how GOD relates to this topic 'Homosexuals in the NBA.' It was brought off topic - but in the end I still believe people are just too homophobic to accept gays in today's society let alone the NBA.</div>Well God does relate to this topic for me because that is the main reason why I do not accept that type of lifestyle as moral. Again, I do not consider myself a homophobic. I have been around them before and I do not treat them any differently. Just because I don't agree with their lifestyle doesn't mean I couldn't be friends with one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I remember a while back people didn't even accept others dating outside of their race. Whenever a black/white person dated it was considered terrible and god wouldn't accept them. </div>This is not true. If people said God wouldn't accept someone because they dated out of their race than they did not have the spirit of God in them, they were racists. That is a misconception. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Now this is almost the same situation - except it's with the same race. But what I want to know is, wouldn't god accept you no matter what? And if he didn't, how would he even know?</div>God accepts you as a person but he would not accept your lifestyle. How would you know? He has made it very clear in his word that being gay is not acceptable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Is that Legal being that God would allow it? Or a Government passing a law? I am religious but I'm not THAT strict on religion to deny anyone their rights as humans. I guess we agree to disagree on that one.</div>Fair enough but I don't consider myself strict just because I follow his Word. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The right to get married and have children <font size="1">(actually that was sactowne and emo's opinions but you get the point). </font><font size="2">You say that it should not be allowed because they are Gay and Lesbian. I say it should because everyone deserves to be treated equally.</font></div>But is that fair to the kids? The children they adopt don't have the choice of having a mom and dad. Every kid deserves the chance to having a mother and father as both are very essential to a childhood. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think there is a big difference between a man having sex with an animal and a man having sex with a man. It's a funny analogy but it is way out of this world.</div>I understand that it is a big difference but why should we deny people the right to have sex with animals than? Why stop at allowing same sex marriages? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Ice couldn't have put it any better IMO. We are all God's creatures, I don't think he would hate on anyone if they were Gay or Lesbian.</div>He makes it very clear that it is not acceptable. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">If we can allow Same-sex marriage in certian states like Massachusetts then why can't we allow polygamy and incestous marriage. Are we not denying the rights to those people?</div>Yes, that is the point I am trying to make.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Just because someone is not accepting of the lifestyle, such as myself, doesn't make me a homophobic. I actually have a relative that is a lesbian but I don't treat her any different because I disagree with her lifestyle. If one of my favorite players came out of the closet I would be disappointed.</div> Personally, I don't care who in the NBA is gay, but I would if it was one of my favorite players. Thanks God Kobe is married. HAHA. But I don't really accept "gay" people. I mean, God made you a man or woman for a reason and that is to reproduce, I don't see any men having babies so obviously this is against all of the Holy Laws (I'm Christian and I'm not trying to offend anyone). I'm not homophobic, but I wouldn't be caught talking to a gay either. I mean... God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve! I just can't accept how men can pull a 180 and like other men. That is just sick to me. Once agian, I'm not trying to offend Anyone, but that's just the way I feel about this. Rudeezy, are you religious? Earlier you said something about your beliefs? Well, that's my two cents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SuperMan:</div><div class="quote_post">Rudeezy, are you religious? Earlier you said something about your beliefs? </div>I really don't like being labeled as "religious" but I am a christian.
Looks like I'm late to this debate so I'll just keep my opinions brief. I believe that marriage is the joint union between a man and a woman, and it should stay that way. Marriage leads to children, and I definitely don't think children should be raised by homosexual couples. Without getting into religion, we have to realize that it's against "nature." Every child deserves the opportunity to have a mother and father (granted it doesn't always work out this way). But it is very dangerous to tamper with nature. The Human race has gone millions (?) of years with heterosexual parenting. Biologically, concieving is exclusive only to heterosexuals. I believe it's the same deal psychologically. The children who grow up with homosexual parents will not grow up "normal," at least in a psychological sense. I feel there is going to be a lot of confusion growing up for those children, whcih can create problems for themselves as well as society when they become adults...
All men are created equal. If a guy wants to tap another guy, let him. If a chick wants to licky lick, let her. I don't like it, but it's life. And if God doesn't accept you as gay, then thats sad. How do we even know god wouldn't approve of this? Isn't the dude dead? It may be written in the bible, but that shouldn't be the determination of whether you approve of two people in love or not. I'm sticking by my first sentence in that 'All men are created equal.' I could care less about gays hooking up, as long as they stay in their little closet. But gay marriage....uh..thats hella nasty. I always thought of weddings with a pretty white dress and a tux. What would the other female/male wear? Two dresses? EW. And gays adopting..? Theres two ways of looking at that - 1) The gay parents might be better than straight parents were to the child (Non abusive, more loving, etc.) Or 2) Would the kid date the same sex because thats the way they were raised?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post"> And if God doesn't accept you as gay, then thats sad. How do we even know god wouldn't approve of this? Isn't the dude dead?</div> How is God dead? He's a divine spirit [/QUOTE]
