How about a "balanced approach" to energy and climate policy?

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    If Bush had backed Kyoto as Clinton did, it would have proceeded to become treaty. But then Bush nixed it.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Weird. You've been reading too many right-wing blogs. Of course Bush sank Kyoto. Everyone knows that. Go to this, download wp12.pdf, and read the short Chapter 3 for details of Bush's refusal to lead.

    http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/content/climate-regime-hague-marrakech-saving-or-sinking-kyoto-protocol
     
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    Yes, he refused to "lead" the developed countries on an economic suicide pact that would have done little more to reduce their carbon emmissions that the worldwide financial crash and recession didn't accomplish, and left the BRIC countries free to do what they have - massively increase carbon emmissions.
     
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    The issue isn't whether or not we have climate changes, the issue is how much our actions impact it and to what end. We've had changes in climates up and down and up and down since we were able to record weather. However, how much of it was caused by us?

    Also, some climate impact can be good. For example, wouldn't you be in favor of "global warming" if it helped to minimize an ice age?
     
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    I've been living in or visiting San Diego for over 40 years. I've not seen the ocean one inch higher than it ever was.

    And I've never ever said there is no global warming. Where did all the glaciers go? The ones that carved the great lakes?

    Get back to me with an answer.
     
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    I detect a widening crevasse between the icebergs. Denny says there is no climate change. Maxiep says there is climate change, but not caused by humans. We're advancing. Like, from an ice age caveman to a paleolithic farmer freezing in his moccasins. Good.

    Now, we need a 3rd faction who says that there is climate change and it's caused by man, but that it's not cost-effective to reverse. Finally, a 4th echelon, those with the most bulbous foreheads, who say there is climate change, caused by technology, and the plusses exceed the minuses to mitigate the effects.

    Then the last 2 groups would trot out competing budgets and have a rational debate.
     
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    Tsk, tsk. Rewriting history again. Or just getting the facts outright wrong.

     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Contradicting yourself again? Bad habit.

    Also...did you use a ruler and snorkels to measure the ocean height?
     
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    I think you have a reading comprehension issue. Where am I contradicting myself in those two quotes?

    The UN scientists and Al Gore claim the warming is so serious that the oceans should be rising by feet. I mock you by pointing out that a casual observation that I don't see the ocean has risen at all.

    There is a difference between global warming, which is natural (where are those glaciers?) and MAN MADE global warming (no convincing proof of that).
     
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    Just which convincing proof do you need? The correlation on graphs between decades and technological changes, or the fact that your posts have to go back 20,000 years to the ice ages to find anything similar?

    What evidence would it take?
     
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    LOL

    OMGERD!! The ESPN mod isn't the only insane one in your relationship. 10 YEARS :MARIS61:
     
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    20,000 years is a blink of the eye for the earth.

    You're not really as dumb as your posts paint you, are you?
     
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    The CO2 and its causation to warming has already been given up by the Warmers. CO2 emissions continue to rise dramatically, while temperatures are rather stagnant.

    Dumb people believe governmental/UN statistics, anyhow, in my mind.
     
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    So if a metorite's coming right at you, all I have to say to get you to stand still is, "One meteorite is a drop in the bucket for the universe. You're not really that stupid, are you?"

    A brain like you knows that rarity of a danger is irrelevant to the amount of danger per incident. I don't need to go to all the trouble I just did to type this post, as I would if you were a lunkhead or something.
     
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    There is no such correlation.

    You can plot GDP on top of the manufactured climate data and see the same "correlation." Or you can plot population growth. Or you can plot govt. spending!!!! OMG, govt. spending is the cause of global warming. Kill it!

    Uh. LOL?
     
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  18. Denny Crane

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    I gave you a complete and quality reply. You just don't like the truth.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hey, lookie. It's a graph of global warming.

    [​IMG]

    My bad, it's government spending.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Okay, i think I get it enough so I can write out your answer for you, since there is no reply.

     
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