Russia tells White House it will not return Crimea to Ukraine Russia said on Wednesday it would not hand back Crimea to Ukraine or discuss the matter with foreign partners after the White House said U.S. President Donald Trump expected the annexed Black Sea peninsula to be returned. Moscow says an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voted to become part of Russia in a 2014 referendum wanting protection from what the Kremlin cast as an illegal coup in Kiev. Ukraine says the referendum was a sham held at gunpoint after Russian troops illegally annexed the peninsula, that Russia-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted by people power, and that Moscow should return Crimea. "We don't give back our own territory. Crimea is territory belonging to the Russian Federation," Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, told a news briefing on Wednesday. The 2014 annexation prompted the United States and the European Union to impose sanctions on Russia, plunging Western relations with the Kremlin to their worst level since the Cold War. White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Tuesday that Trump expected and wanted to get along with Russia, but was expecting Moscow to hand Crimea back. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-ukraine-idUSKBN15U0U0
This literally makes no sense. @Natebishop3's entire argument is that we've been sold a myth. That's the opposite of buying into the propaganda.
He's taking the "Russia Conspiracy" at face value as if it were actually true. It may just be US media and government propoganda to stir pro-american sentiment among the populace.
What "conspiracy?" Are you suggesting the National Security Advisor just lost his job over nothing? Now I don't know for sure if there is anything to the claims that Russia interfered in our elections or that they are blackmailing Trump, but as natural geopolitical rivals and given Putin's ambitions to restore Russian hegemony in Asia and Eastern Europe, it seems logical to that they would try to undermine the U.S. and other western democracies that might pose a threat to those ambitions. Suggesting that it's all just mainstream media, or deep state agit-prop to stir up patriotic fervor to start World War III seems like a more extraordinary claim, especially when there are already a number of Russian ties to various Trump appointees and/or campaign people -- Manfort, Tillerson, Flynn, etc.
Or so they claim. Remember, when we're on this side of the pond, the government and news tailors the news how they want us to hear it. Everything can be manipulated, even these so-called ties. I personally think the government is doing what it can do to remove Trump from office as he is not an insider/politician that can be reeled in.
Tillerson's "Russian Order of Friendship" award is irrefutable. Paul Manfort's connections to Yanukovych (a Russian puppet) are irrefutable. Flynn resigning over improper contact with a Russian ambassador is irrefutable.
The National Security Advisor just lost his job because of and unlawful recording and a leak of the information to the media by the unknowns within the government. That is the real issue at hand and those responsible must be discovered and destroyed.
I just don't understand how so many people have bought into Trump. At best he's a self-serving corporate hack who is going to use the office to better himself and his family. At worst he's a Russian puppet who is trying to undermine is from within. I'm not a Democrat. I hated Hillary, but I seriously don't understand how people can so blindly follow this guy. It's really scary. It borders on worship.
Wow. So, treason is ok. Whistleblowing is not ok. You sure you wouldn't be happier in, say, Moscow? barfo
I agree with Marazul, it was those damn meddling kids who leaked the information that caused Nixon to resign.
No, I don't think you do. I described the unlawful acts I see, what crime could you prove Flynn is guilty of doing?
He opened himself up to blackmail by a the Russian security services because he lied to the President about conversations he had with a Russian ambassador (and would have known that the NSA monitors those communiques). That's maybe not illegal (depends on how the congress interprets his actions under the Logan Act), but if that doesn't strike you as a fire-able offense or raise some red flags, then I'm wondering where you do draw the line.
Yes, I was primed and ready to go ashore in Cuba, to finish the job of taking out missiles left standing, if any after an air strike. A squadron of heavy Cruisers ready to deliver the necessary fire. I have no wish to return to those days, we have seen nothing provocative enough to consider it anywhere close to a necessity.
