<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 3 2006, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The world can't just fu*kin grow out of nothing.</div>Who are you to say it can't. Who is anyone to come up with any crackpot theory of how the world began. The god theory is stupid (so some huge guy in a robe said "Let there be light" and light just appeared?) and the big bang theory is too confusing. All this happened billions of years ago and the reality is no one has any clue of how the universe was created.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Jul 4 2006, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who are you to say it can't. Who is anyone to come up with any crackpot theory of how the world began. The god theory is stupid (so some huge guy in a robe said "Let there be light" and light just appeared?) and the big bang theory is too confusing. All this happened billions of years ago and the reality is no one has any clue of how the universe was created.</div>Your post proves something. People will always think God is phony because a supernatural being was never revealed to us, so something like that seems unatural to us. Anyways, an almighty being makes more sense than a big bang theory.
I don't really believe in a god, but I really don't believe in the big bang either. What you're proposing is a simple either-or fallacy. You either believe in God, hell, satan, and Co., or you believe in the Big Bang. There's no other possible explanation for existance. That's not really accurate at all. Some people don't believe in either, and I know this sounds silly, but some people believe in both.Science isn't always right the first time. In fact, usually it's wrong for a very long time until somebody figures out the mistakes made in the original theories and finally creates something with scientific backbone. Darwin wasn't completely correct about what he wrote in The Origin of Species. He had some things right, and he had some things wrong. It's still a theory, and it probably always will be. There is no test so far that has come up with the same results every time to prove it true. The reason it is considered scientifically fact by some people is because there were other people around Darwin's time piecing together a similar theory. Other people came to the similar conclusions about how species relate, and still do today.In the same vein, the Big Bang is a theory. It's not a law, but an idea that some people have for a possible explanation for what could have happened. There's probably a lot of concepts they have wrong, and a lot of pieces missing. The reason a lot of people take this theory as fact is because they see a deductive pattern. Scientists have found that the universe is expanding. It stands to reason that before, the universe was smaller. Their idea is that if you keep going back, eventually you would find that the universe was extremely dense (your claim that before the Big Bang happened there was "nothing" is not what most scientists believe, I don't think). Science is not about being right, it's about finding what is right.I was Christian for nearly 15 years, so I've seen both sides. I personally don't put all my faith in science, but there is validity to some of it. The reason I stopped putting faith in God is because it stopped making sense to me. I found that I was stretching my reason to allow myself to believe in something. If anything, I'm apathetic now. Agnostic would be a pretty close description of me, if I liked the term. Some people believe God does everything, and some believe he does nothing. The thing that bothers me about it is that there's no proof that he really has a hand in it, to me anyway. When someone dies of cancer, they say, "Well God chose to bring them to heaven!" and when they live they say, "Thank God for letting them live!" It's just vague and banal to me. If your family chose not to let you live, you wouldn't be happy about it. Why does God get that courtesy? Well he's God, duh! To me it's not fair or logical, but whatever.
I would read, but I just don't care what your bisexiential (bi sexual + science lol) theory is. And it's too long, no one's gonna read what you said, no offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 4 2006, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^Bingo. Nice points.And that was the theory JustBlaze, so you can stop being an asswipe..</div>No it isn't you f*cking retard. The theory is that an explosion created the Universe and all life as we know it, not that "our world grew out of nothing." Maybe if we were talking to preschoolers we would explain it like that.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 4 2006, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You either believe in God, hell, satan, and Co., or you believe in the Big Bang.</div>I didn't say that, you either believe in the existence of an supernatural being that created life as we know it or not.If you believe that God is in control of the Universe and everything in it then you would believe that he chose to let people either live or die.
The Big Bang seems as foolish as creationism to me....'Some explosion happened from nothing? That's ridiculous.'...Sounds as unrealistic as some god coming from nowhere and creating the universe...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 4 2006, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really believe in a god, but I really don't believe in the big bang either. What you're proposing is a simple either-or fallacy. You either believe in God, hell, satan, and Co., or you believe in the Big Bang. There's no other possible explanation for existance. That's not really accurate at all. Some people don't believe in either, and I know this sounds silly, but some people believe in both.Science isn't always right the first time. In fact, usually it's wrong for a very long time until somebody figures out the mistakes made in the original theories and finally creates something with scientific backbone. Darwin wasn't completely correct about what he wrote in The Origin of Species. He had some things right, and he had some things wrong. It's still a theory, and it probably always will be. There is no test so far that has come up with the same results every time to prove it true. The reason it is considered scientifically fact by some people is because there were other people around Darwin's time piecing together a similar theory. Other people came to the similar conclusions about how species relate, and still do today.In the same vein, the Big Bang is a theory. It's not a law, but an idea that some people have for a possible explanation for what could have happened. There's probably a lot of concepts they have wrong, and a lot of pieces missing. The reason a lot of people take this theory as fact is because they see a deductive pattern. Scientists have found that the universe is expanding. It stands to reason that before, the universe was smaller. Their idea is that if you keep going back, eventually you would find that the universe was extremely dense (your claim that before the Big Bang happened there was "nothing" is not what most scientists believe, I don't think). Science is not about being right, it's about finding what is right.I was Christian for nearly 15 years, so I've seen both sides. I personally don't put all my faith in science, but there is validity to some of it. The reason I stopped putting faith in God is because it stopped making sense to me. I found that I was stretching my reason to allow myself to believe in something. If anything, I'm apathetic now. Agnostic would be a pretty close description of me, if I liked the term. Some people believe God does everything, and some believe he does nothing. The thing that bothers me about it is that there's no proof that he really has a hand in it, to me anyway. When someone dies of cancer, they say, "Well God chose to bring them to heaven!" and when they live they say, "Thank God for letting them live!" It's just vague and banal to me. If your family chose not to let you live, you wouldn't be happy about it. Why does God get that courtesy? Well he's God, duh! To me it's not fair or logical, but whatever.</div>I read it all just to let you know. :happy0144: JustBlaze, you can't debate with anyone if you always think you're right and can't listen to what they say either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say that, you either believe in the existence of an supernatural being that created life as we know it or not.</div>It seemed as though you implied it. I mean, a summary of your first post would be, "How can you not believe in God? The Big Bang is retarded!" The logical train of thought there seems to be that if you don't believe in God, you must believe in the Big Bang. That's why I brought it up. It has nothing to do with misreading, either.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you believe that God is in control of the Universe and everything in it then you would believe that he chose to let people either live or die.</div>I guess you would have to. The part that bothers me is that people say that things can be attributed to God, whether it be complexity of the world, our bodies, the distance from the sun, or whatever. But how is someone supposed to take them seriously when they attribute EVERYTHING to God (even the things that a complete douchebag would do, like wipe out New Orleans)? Maybe it's just me that finds it silly, I don't know.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would read, but I just don't care what your bisexiential (bi sexual + science lol) theory is. And it's too long, no one's gonna read what you said, no offense.</div>And you wonder why people don't believe you when you claim to be a genius.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 4 2006, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JustBlaze, you can't debate with anyone if you always think you're right and can't listen to what they say either.</div>That's not it at all, no one listens to my point about scientists having to prove everything, and that's what was pissing me off. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 4 2006, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess you would have to. The part that bothers me is that people say that things can be attributed to God, whether it be complexity of the world, our bodies, the distance from the sun, or whatever. But how is someone supposed to take them seriously when they attribute EVERYTHING to God (even the things that a complete douchebag would do, like wipe out New Orleans)? Maybe it's just me that finds it silly, I don't know.</div>This isn't supposed to be a perfect world, that's why those things happens. It's a harsh world, a test to see if we are worthy for Heaven, or our next life. If everything here was perfect then the concept of Heaven and Hell wouldn't be necessary. If nothing bad ever happened then everyone would believe that a god is in control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isn't supposed to be a perfect world, that's why those things happens. It's a harsh world, a test to see if we are worthy for Heaven, or our next life. If everything here was perfect then the concept of Heaven and Hell wouldn't be necessary. If nothing bad ever happened then everyone would believe that a god is in control.</div>Why doesn't god just use his power to find out if everyone is good or not? If he's almighty then why does he waste his own time giving people tests when he already knows the answers. And I thought god wanted everyone to believe he is in control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 4 2006, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It seemed as though you implied it. I mean, a summary of your first post would be, "How can you not believe in God? The Big Bang is retarded!" The logical train of thought there seems to be that if you don't believe in God, you must believe in the Big Bang. That's why I brought it up. It has nothing to do with misreading, either.I guess you would have to. The part that bothers me is that people say that things can be attributed to God, whether it be complexity of the world, our bodies, the distance from the sun, or whatever. But how is someone supposed to take them seriously when they attribute EVERYTHING to God (even the things that a complete douchebag would do, like wipe out New Orleans)? Maybe it's just me that finds it silly, I don't know.And you wonder why people don't believe you when you claim to be a genius. </div>Who said people don't believe I'm a genius? Maybe some people try to think around it, but most people who know me IRL know I'm a genius. Sorry if I don't seem like a genius when I talk about basketball. You don't sound like a genius talking about the Big bang either. I'm more wise and intelligent than a genius anyways. What do you know about the real world you book-worm? No one is smart when they're on God's side, because there is limited proof. It's all faith.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Jul 4 2006, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why doesn't god just use his power to find out if everyone is good or not? If he's almighty then why does he waste his own time giving people tests when he already knows the answers. And I thought god wanted everyone to believe he is in control.</div>But see, he wants some dickwads like you in hell also.
Im aethiest, I just don't believe in God, who or what created it ?I try not to think about it too much as it can get really weird.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's not it at all, no one listens to my point about scientists having to prove everything, and that's what was pissing me off.</div>You do know that the term "theory" inherently means it's not fact, right?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isn't supposed to be a perfect world, that's why those things happens. It's a harsh world, a test to see if we are worthy for Heaven, or our next life. If everything here was perfect then the concept of Heaven and Hell wouldn't be necessary. If nothing bad ever happened then everyone would believe that a god is in control.</div>I realize that. Like I said, I was a Christian for a long time. I'm not ignorant of the idea. My point isn't really that God shouldn't let bad things happen. It was that Christians (especially) like to attribute everything to him. It doesn't prove or disprove that there's a god, but it gets old when everything from life to death to pissing in the backyard is mandated by God. It discredits someone who is trying to make a rational and coherent statement. I'm explaining my reasoning, here.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who said people don't believe I'm a genius? Maybe some people try to think around it, but most people who know me IRL know I'm a genius. Sorry if I don't seem like a genius when I talk about basketball. You don't sound like a genius talking about the Big bang either. I'm more wise and intelligent than a genius anyways. What do you know about the real world you book-worm? No one is smart when they're on God's side, because there is limited proof. It's all faith.</div>I didn't say there wasn't anybody who thinks you're a genius. There are obviously some people who think you aren't, though. And when you make a idiotic comment like "I would read, but I just don't care what your bisexiential (bi sexual + science lol) theory is." it definitely doesn't make you look like a genius. I don't know you in real life, but if you are the genius you claim to be, it really doesn't translate well when you type.Calling me a book-worm doesn't mean anything to me. What did I say about the Big Bang that was incorrect? When did I claim to be a genius? How do you even know what I said about the Big Bang when you didn't even read it? Nothing you say makes sense. And please, don't talk to me about the real world... you're like what? 12? Go get banned from the forums and stop bothering me.Edit: Apparently Airblaze is the big 1-5! Boy, do I feel silly!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Jul 4 2006, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But see, he wants some dickwads like you in hell also.</div>Ok, now I see. And you assume that you'll "get into heaven" right. I'm sure your short temper and "Shut up fu*kface" type of response to every opinion that differs from yours won't stop that.BTW, you completely ignored my question. Do you have an answer to it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 4 2006, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You do know that the term "theory" inherently means it's not fact, right?I realize that. Like I said, I was a Christian for a long time. I'm not ignorant of the idea. My point isn't really that God shouldn't let bad things happen. It was that Christians (especially) like to attribute everything to him. It doesn't prove or disprove that there's a god, but it gets old when everything from life to death to pissing in the backyard is mandated by God. It discredits someone who is trying to make a rational and coherent statement. I'm explaining my reasoning, here.I didn't say there wasn't anybody who thinks you're a genius. There are obviously some people who think you aren't, though. And when you make a idiotic comment like "I would read, but I just don't care what your bisexiential (bi sexual + science lol) theory is." it definitely doesn't make you look like a genius. I don't know you in real life, but if you are the genius you claim to be, it really doesn't translate well when you type.Calling me a book-worm doesn't mean anything to me. What did I say about the Big Bang that was incorrect? When did I claim to be a genius? How do you even know what I said about the Big Bang when you didn't even read it? Nothing you say makes sense. And please, don't talk to me about the real world... you're like what? 12? Go get banned from the forums and stop bothering me.Edit: Apparently Airblaze is the big 1-5! Boy, do I feel silly!</div>Apparently Justice is the big 2-0. Still on forums?The Bisexential thing was a joke, retard. The big bang theory is false, anyways. It has many flaws.
There are many older people on forums. This is one of the few sites were nearly all the members are teens. Most of the forums i've been on have older people than Justice.
