<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jonesboyz @ Jul 7 2006, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have no idea how the universe was created. The explosion makes more sense to me than some big guy in a white robe who created the universe by working his magic.</div>Exactly, plus there if you look at the facts you'll realize there is a lot of evidence to prove that the Big Bang did in fact happen.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Jul 6 2006, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, there's a rule now? Dude you need to shut up your mouth seriously.</div>That kind of thing just doesn't make much sense on the internet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 7 2006, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's the theory.</div>There isn't one, because it can't be tested.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 7 2006, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There isn't one, because it can't be tested.</div> You got a point there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 7 2006, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what happens when people die then? What does the big bang tell you about that?</div>Why would the theory about how the universe was created tell you about death?As far as anyone on earth knows, you die. That's all we can really gather at this point, because there's been no proof of any afterlife, but there has been no proof against it.
how can you prove the unprovable ? trying to attempt questions like that is stupid. dont know if any of you have read Wittgenstein on any level, but anyways essentialy the limits of your language are the limits of your world, its nonsensical to talk about the afterlife. the word afterlife and all the connentations that go with it are just miss representations of our language and therefore should not be talked about.if god (small g to show 'dissrespect') created everything on earth he created everything logical. i dont know if anyone here knows about logic, and going by previous posts i would suggest not. logic makes itself evident in our world. we do not create it. now if god created everything, logic included, it seems awfully strange that the highest emotion we can have (belief in him) is the most illogical. if he existed, his existance itself would be the most logical thing in existance, yet it is notthere are a million repudations to god and religion which i would be happy to share, its just that questions like how the world was created are not going to be answered. either way you can eliminate god from that question IMO. dont get me started on jesus, 'Budda and Socrates were wiser men' - Bertrand Russel
I just don't believe in the Bible.Why didn't god kill the snake?How did Noah get 2 of every single species in what? like 2 weeks?How big was the ark?How did Moses split an ocean?How did Samson's hair give him extraordinary powers?It's things like that that I just don't get. If it doesn't even start to make sense, then don't bother with it. The only way religionists explain all of the above is "faith made it happen".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 14 2006, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just don't believe in the Bible.Why didn't god kill the snake?How did Noah get 2 of every single species in what? like 2 weeks?How big was the ark?How did Moses split an ocean?How did Samson's hair give him extraordinary powers?It's things like that that I just don't get. If it doesn't even start to make sense, then don't bother with it. The only way religionists explain all of the above is "faith made it happen".</div>Umm, not really.Most people would probably say that God didn't kill the snake, because sin was necessary in his plan. The snake therefore would also be necessary.Uh, it's not like Noah tried to grab all the species with a fishing net. And no, it was 100 years, not 2 weeks. Certainly if God can tell Noah to build an ark, he can get all the animals there, too.It tells in the Bible how big the ark was. Google it if you'd really like to know. I don't see why the question would make you believe or disbelieve the Bible.Moses didn't split an ocean. Most people think it was the Red Sea, but regardless, the Bible doesn't even claim it was an ocean. It has been proven to be scientifically possible that winds could push the waters and part them to create a path, because there are reefs there. And once again, it's supposed to be a miracle anyway. If it happened, obviously God would have had part in it.Uh, it didn't. The Bible didn't even claim it did.If you did a tiny bit of research you could probably get all your questions answered to some extent, and no, not with "faith made it happen." You might not believe it, but at least look into things before making yourself look stupid by asking irrelevant questions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 14 2006, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm, not really.Most people would probably say that God didn't kill the snake, because sin was necessary in his plan. The snake therefore would also be necessary.Uh, it's not like Noah tried to grab all the species with a fishing net. And no, it was 100 years, not 2 weeks. Certainly if God can tell Noah to build an ark, he can get all the animals there, too.It tells in the Bible how big the ark was. Google it if you'd really like to know. I don't see why the question would make you believe or disbelieve the Bible.Moses didn't split an ocean. Most people think it was the Red Sea, but regardless, the Bible doesn't even claim it was an ocean. It has been proven to be scientifically possible that winds could push the waters and part them to create a path, because there are reefs there. And once again, it's supposed to be a miracle anyway. If it happened, obviously God would have had part in it.Uh, it didn't. The Bible didn't even claim it did.If you did a tiny bit of research you could probably get all your questions answered to some extent, and no, not with "faith made it happen." You might not believe it, but at least look into things before making yourself look stupid by asking irrelevant questions.</div>So if letting the snake live was in god's plan, what is god's plan?You could get a team of a thousand people and they wouldn't be able to catch even 1 of every species in a hundred years. You're aware there are over a billion species of insect alone, right?You wouldn't believe the bible because of the ark's size, because: how does 1 man(perhaps family too) make an arc probably as big as a continent in 100 years? where's the lumber come from, how does he build up, does he have ladders?Samson's hair gave him his strength, which was super strength. How else did he simply push two central pillars? It'd take a bulldozer's strength to do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 15 2006, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So if letting the snake live was in god's plan, what is god's plan?You could get a team of a thousand people and they wouldn't be able to catch even 1 of every species in a hundred years. You're aware there are over a billion species of insect alone, right?You wouldn't believe the bible because of the ark's size, because: how does 1 man(perhaps family too) make an arc probably as big as a continent in 100 years? where's the lumber come from, how does he build up, does he have ladders?Samson's hair gave him his strength, which was super strength. How else did he simply push two central pillars? It'd take a bulldozer's strength to do that.</div>God's plan obviously would have needed sin to be feasible. He could not have been glorified without sin. Different people have different opinions about God's plan, but I do not because I don't believe in a Christian god.Your idea assumes a few things. 1. The definition of "species" was the same ~4,000 years ago as it is today (hint: it wasn't). Not only that, the Bible doesn't say two of every species. It says two of every kind. Define "kind" for me. 2. That there were exactly as many species then as there are today (hint: there weren't). 3. That the Bible says that God told Noah to bring insects onto the ark. It doesn't specifically. Finally, many consider it an allegory. It's not like you couldn't believe in God and believe the story to be false. Or you could believe a different religion all together.It doesn't say it was a continent wide.Uh, no. You have the story wrong. Samson's hair had been shaven off when he pushed down the pillars. That was the whole point of the story. His strength came from God and not his hair. Like I said, maybe google something before you ask a question. It's not that hard to find.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 7 2006, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If I see anything like this again your not allowed to post in this board. This is it. All the puberty jokes and bickering ends now or this topic is locked.</div>Are you f'n joking? He's the ass that started it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 15 2006, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God's plan obviously would have needed sin to be feasible. He could not have been glorified without sin. Different people have different opinions about God's plan, but I do not because I don't believe in a Christian god.Your idea assumes a few things. 1. The definition of "species" was the same ~4,000 years ago as it is today (hint: it wasn't). Not only that, the Bible doesn't say two of every species. It says two of every kind. Define "kind" for me. 2. That there were exactly as many species then as there are today (hint: there weren't). 3. That the Bible says that God told Noah to bring insects onto the ark. It doesn't specifically. Finally, many consider it an allegory. It's not like you couldn't believe in God and believe the story to be false. Or you could believe a different religion all together.It doesn't say it was a continent wide.Uh, no. You have the story wrong. Samson's hair had been shaven off when he pushed down the pillars. That was the whole point of the story. His strength came from God and not his hair. Like I said, maybe google something before you ask a question. It's not that hard to find.</div>It takes longer than, as you put, 4,000 years to evolve that much. There would still be tons upon tons of species. I define kind as a species, for instance, a tiger and cheetah are different "kinds".I know it doesn't say it was a continent wide. OK I just checked my bible and it says this "Make it 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. Make a roof for the boat and leave a space of 18 inches between the roof and the sides. Build it with three decks and put a door in the side." I could not find anything about how long it took, I assume God waited for him to finish, and then flooded.Point being, 450x75x45. That's 1,518,750 cubic feet. Obviously the animals won't take up all the space, because they cant stand on the ceiling. So how does he fit 2 of every "kind" on a boat that big? If you take out height and just figured the floor, that's 3 levels, 15 feet high each, with 33,750 square feet for every "kind" of animal to stand on. Something tells me that would not fit. Especially so, when he also had to bring food. Food for 2 of every "kind" and the humans, and 2 of every "kind of animal"? That's supposed to fit on 3 33,750 square feet? Ok, if you say so, Harry Potter.Another thing that interests me: God decides to kill everyone except Noah "because the world is full of their violent deeds." Well guess why? Because you didn't kill the snake, and he made Adam and Eve sin, which screwed up everything.Question: If his plan was to let them sin and be bad, why would he flood to try and rid of all the "violent deeds"?? I thought he wanted a world that sinned?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 16 2006, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It takes longer than, as you put, 4,000 years to evolve that much. There would still be tons upon tons of species. I define kind as a species, for instance, a tiger and cheetah are different "kinds".I know it doesn't say it was a continent wide. OK I just checked my bible and it says this "Make it 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. Make a roof for the boat and leave a space of 18 inches between the roof and the sides. Build it with three decks and put a door in the side." I could not find anything about how long it took, I assume God waited for him to finish, and then flooded.Point being, 450x75x45. That's 1,518,750 cubic feet. Obviously the animals won't take up all the space, because they cant stand on the ceiling. So how does he fit 2 of every "kind" on a boat that big? If you take out height and just figured the floor, that's 3 levels, 15 feet high each, with 33,750 square feet for every "kind" of animal to stand on. Something tells me that would not fit. Especially so, when he also had to bring food. Food for 2 of every "kind" and the humans, and 2 of every "kind of animal"? That's supposed to fit on 3 33,750 square feet? Ok, if you say so, Harry Potter.Another thing that interests me: God decides to kill everyone except Noah "because the world is full of their violent deeds." Well guess why? Because you didn't kill the snake, and he made Adam and Eve sin, which screwed up everything.Question: If his plan was to let them sin and be bad, why would he flood to try and rid of all the "violent deeds"?? I thought he wanted a world that sinned?</div>This is a much better argument than your last few have been. Thank you. My point was that you say kinds is species. Well, that is your opinion. Is that what the author intended? Does the author have any idea what a "species" is? My guess would be probably not, because the study of Biology really didn't even start until a few thousand years later. It seems a little bit silly to me to assume that our definition of species is even similar to the author's "kind." And what do you mean things can't evolve that quickly? You can't really put a timetable on evolution. It's not like you can say, "If we wait x years, a new form of monkey will appear!" It doesn't work that way. It's completely random. Now, if you wanted to argue that scientists think that it took longer than that, I could agree with you there.That is a pretty fair question. I wouldn't say that you really understand the situation, though. There's a difference between just sinning and what they were doing. And actually he didn't make Adam and Eve do anything.I'm not trying to ride you about this, but the first post was like what. It didn't make any sense to me. This post was a lot better. :rock:
True. I don't believe it was one author though. People have made different versions and such of the bible over the thousands of years. Some species though do take some time to evolve. Humans took some time to come from apes, and before apes, it takes a long time to, for instance, the eyes to move from the side of the head, to the front.But he could have prevented them from doing something. But he didn't, and they did. But then he turns around and says "damn it, I'm sick of violence and sin" and kills everyone. And nowadays, there's sin everywhichway, so why not just flood again? He flip flops more than John Kerry haha. I don't see why you'd worship a god that can't make up his damn mind.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 16 2006, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>True. I don't believe it was one author though. People have made different versions and such of the bible over the thousands of years. Some species though do take some time to evolve. Humans took some time to come from apes, and before apes, it takes a long time to, for instance, the eyes to move from the side of the head, to the front.But he could have prevented them from doing something. But he didn't, and they did. But then he turns around and says "damn it, I'm sick of violence and sin" and kills everyone. And nowadays, there's sin everywhichway, so why not just flood again? He flip flops more than John Kerry haha. I don't see why you'd worship a god that can't make up his damn mind.</div>There was more than one author for the Bible. And what you're saying goes along with my point... there's so many versions and understandings that it's really hard to get a good feel of what the author is actually trying to say. Then you factor time passed since then, and it's like wow. Anyway, what I'm saying about evolution is it's really hard to say evolution is slow or fast, because it does change depending on the environment. When a new niche appears, usually animals appear to fill that niche. For example, a large part of Greenland is melting away. What type of animals are going to survive? Ones that thrive in the cold? Or ones that can survive regardless? The answer is the latter, and in the same way many animals thrive after a natural disaster. Many places that would once have been an ocean suddenly were dry and things of that sort. Obviously if an species is doing well, it will probably evolve rather quickly, because most of their offspring will survive.Well, today there is supposed to be the opportunity to accept Christ... at that point, non-Hebrews couldn't be saved. I can see how it would appear somewhat hypocritical, though. But I mean, before he destroyed Sodom, the people there tried to buttrape his angels. That is where the term "sodomy" comes from. That's some pretty bad stuff right there... I'd destroy them, too.
