How do we get Simons more minutes?

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  1. Blazers1977

    Blazers1977 Well-Known Member

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    why would we trade our most consistent playoff performer over the last 7 playoff series, instead of a 20 year old who has played less than 10 total games in the NBA?
     
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    I just want to see what we can get for Whiteside and Baze before we start talking about trading CJ.. If Dallas can get Porzingis for a bunch of expirings I want to see what the next team who wants to restart will do for cap space
     
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    CJ can't be traded for almost 3 more months.......
     
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    Money. Defense. Athleticism. Fit. Long-term potential. Trade value.
     
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    Did i look like i was going for logic? ;)
     
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    You got the most quality takes on here love your videos keep up the good work
     
  7. illmatic99

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    Blake looked so gimpy last night -- put up numbers but it just seemed like he was laboring so much. I'm sure rust had something to do with it. But I don't want that injury risk if it costs CJ.
     
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    thats a lot of assumptions after 10 games. There’s no guarantee Simons will be a good fit, will live up to potential, or will be a good defender. A bird in the hand is worth two in a Bush.
     
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    I'm fairly sure Bones was stating those as negatives for CJ... not necessarily positives for Simons.

    CJ makes a crap load of $.
    CJ's defense is poor.
    CJ is not particularly athletic.
    CJ is an OK fit with Dame, but not a great fit.
    Ant has more long-term potential.
    CJ currently has more trade value.

    You are right, we don't know if Ant will live up to the potential or be a good defender. However it's called a calculated risk. I'm more comfortable moving forward with the Dame+Ant backcourt than the Dame+CJ one for a number of reasons.
     
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    Assumptions? Their differential in comtract, athletics, age, and trade value are assumptions?
     
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    I'm not sure we trade CJ or put all our eggs in the "Simons" basket just yet. It's really early in the season, it's really early in Simons career, who knows where he goes from here.
     
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    Well that and the fact still remains we can't trade CJ for 2.5 months anyway plus we all know Olshey isn't going to trade him.
     
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    Simons could win MVP this year and I’ll probably be saying the same thing next year at this time. Im aware CJ cant get traded yet, but that doesnt seem to stop people from putting trades that include him out there for discussion.
     
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    • Ant will eventually demand just as much money.
    • CJs defense is better than Ant’s at this point. You guys are just assuming Ant will become a good defender bc of his wingspan etc, that’s not guaranteed
    • CJ is just as good of a fit with Dame as Simon, actually, he’s far better given their 7 years of experience together.
    • Why would we want long-term potential when Dame is in his prime NOW?
    I don’t see us making a deep run in the playoffs with a 20 year old as one of our featured options. I think you guys are greatly underestimating how important experience is in the playoffs. Ant won’t have the experience for a deep playoff run until Dame is far past his prime. Regular season success often doesn’t translate into playoff success, especially when you’re a hungry 20 year old and most of your minutes are against back-up scrubs who aren’t highly motivated to play defense in the regular season. CJ has proven himself in the PLAYOFFS as a #2 option, not a bench player.

    I say keep them both and do something like OKC did with Westbrook, Durant, and Harden. Put Ant in off the bench and give him big minutes in a separate rotation
     
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    Hold on, you're saying that even if Simon's won MVP you STILL wouldn't be sold on him?
     
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    Its the financial implications that make it logical to move CJ over Ant, I think. That and Jodie just took the team over and a disappointing season this year might lead her to question her long term commitment and possibly turn the corner to wanting to sell. IF so, they definitely don't want to go deep into tax by moving Ant and taking on a Griffin type of salary somehow.

    The one thing I love about sports and life in general really is that more often than not, we must take a chance if we want to get to the top. That chance can be a life risking, breath taking, adrenaline flowing moment. In this topic, its taking the risk of confidence. How confident is Ant? the team? Does he pay attention, soak in knowledge and show improvement in practices(I see it on the court)? If so, when CJ is open to the market, you make the move and take the chance. no risk no reward.
     
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    I have big time trust issues with young players.
     

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