Forum Game How do you build a contender around Dame in the next couple years?

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Though trading a top3 pick for a star has me wondering..... Any way we trade Dame at the draft for a package with a top 3 pick coming to us? That might ultimately be the smarter move, especially if we can't do deals to bring a 2nd star here.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Yes I agree its one road or the other.
     
  3. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Also want to gauge in the next 26 games if Ant can outperform his next contract and has a ceiling as a near max player. If he does, I think we've made all the moves to say good bye to Dame, and start a longer rebuild.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    If Dame is going out, we really need a legitimate young star coming back. That's why I like Jaylen Brown so much. He's only 25. He's a legit really good player.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yup. There's much to be learned in the next few months.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    If we get top 3, I wouldn't be too quick to trade those picks. Phoenix has shown the template of a 37 yr old aging star with a 25 yr star and a 22 yr budding star winning big.

    Dame/Banchero/Ant is a ridiculous trio to build from, especially if Ant outperforms a 20 mil deal and Banchero remains on his rookie contract for 3 more years.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Ant would have to become a defensive dynamo for it to work.
     
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    Not if we have near All NBA caliber defense at at least 2 of the other three positions. And with 96 guard minutes to go around, it would be fairly easy to stagger Dame/Ant.

    We just have gauge if Ant can have a better ceiling than CJ did. I think he's already shown more play-making chops than CJ did during his tenure as PG.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    My hope is that Chauncey got to Ant before Stotts ruined him.

    I think Dame/CJ operated under Stotts' no-accountability environment for too long. I don't think CJ is going to change. I don't think Dame is going to change. My hope is that Ant can change.
     
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    You list a really good option to keep the pick. To trade it, I'd want a legit star coming back for a top 3 pick, if its Jaylen Brown then I do it for anyone in the draft. If that level of star is not available, then your plan is great.

    Step 1 is winning a top pick in the lotto!
     
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    Yeah I think its important we don't over react from the failures of DameCJ and avoid similar benefits at all costs.

    If you pair DameCJ with all stars at other positions their post seasons might have looked pretty fucking different. Instead we had Aminu and Harkless with a one arm Kanter getting to the WCF.

    Dame and Ant need numerous great defenders on the roster, and proper schemes to match.
     
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    I'm thinking Portland can't offer both first's between the lottery and the draft because of the Septien rule. But could certainly negotiate with teams and agree to select the players they want, then complete the trade after the draft. I don't believe they can offer a future 1st, even after the draft, because the earliest pick they could offer is the 2030 1st and that exceeds the 7 year limit

    big problem will be that Simons will be BYC. If he signs for 20M first year salary, the Blazers would only get a 10M trade credit. Brown will be making 26.7M. The trade would be legal for Boston but not for Portland. In order to take back 26.7M in salary, Portland would have to send out 21.3M. So they'd need to add 11.3M more salary. Josh Hart would get them there and the trade would still be legal from Boston's POV. That would leave the Blazers thin at guard, but Brown has played SG a bunch in his career

    another possibility: Blazers have the 7th pick; they use it on a player of Boston's choosing (or not). Then sign that player at about 6M first year salary. Blazers could then trade Simons + signed 6th pick + Winslow + Louzada/Johnson for Brown. That actually seems like a nice haul for Boston. (kind of recall the CBA saying a S&T couldn't be combined with other players but maybe that was an artifact of a previous CBA)

    if Portland wants to go all in on building around Dame:

    1) TPE + one of the picks for Jeremai Grant

    ) Simons + the other pick + Winslow + filler for Brown

    Dame
    Brown
    Little/Hart
    Grant
    Nurkic

    is that a contender?
     
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    better than where we've been. much more balanced skillset and good defenders 2-5.
     
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    Yeah I like him a lot too. He’s also not the type to seek a large market. A little more depth to him than popping bottles and chasing pussy.

    Elite defender too.
     
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    yeah, I don't think there's any doubt that team would be the best since Aldridge, and likely better

    the biggest issue is would Grant accept being the #3 option?
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    same agency as Dame too, fwiw.
     
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    Yeah I'd do that. Detroit might, but I don't see Boston doing it.

    I'd start Hart at SG, Brown at SF, and Little off the bench.
     
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    like you guys were saying, it depends on how Boston would value Simons and if they are ready to break up the Tatum/Brown duo. Of course, if Brown is available there will be a lot of bidders
     
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    ...I would think pretty low considering they just acquired White from Spurs to be their "perfect" PG and they have this Pritchard guy that appears to be the "perfect" backup PG :dunno:
     
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