<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Damn shape, you're gonna break my heart. I can't believe you're pushing my buttons like this. Now you've got my hopes high. Damn, if nothing goes through, I'm gonna be so sad </div> Shape is good at pushing buttons... [awkward silence]
I remember when Penny (similar player to Kobe at the time) landed with phoenix everyone was drooling to see that backcourt in action and I dont remember anything great coming out of that tandem although Id like Kidd in a Laker uniform I would hate to hand out a player like Jordan Farmar who oozes potential that you just know will develop.
Jordan Farmar? I like Jordan Farmar a whole lot, but if it means getting Jason Kidd, one of the best point guards in the league, I'd give up Farmar in a heart beat. Kobe Bryant needs some help. As of now, all we're doing is wasting his prime. The only untouchables on the roster IMO are Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum. Lamar Odom to a certain extent, but I'd trade him if a deal was right. If Jordan Farmar is the missing piece that makes us miss out on Kidd, I will be extremely pissed. We can just get another Farmar in the draft
Question? Why is everybody so infatuated with Farmar? He's so easily replaceable and over-hyped, it's disgusting. His jumpers been broken for awhile now, it needs some fixing. If it means trading him, I'd do it in a heartbeat, he's probably the most easily replaceable guy on the roster. PG's like him are available every year.
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please please please, let's land Kidd. I still cringe at us letting go Farmar and Kwame(more so Kwame than Farmar). I'd prefer if we gave up someone like Mihm, Mckie, and some other filler. PLEASE!!!!! MITCH!!!!!</div> LMAO, Mihm, McKie and a crap player for Kidd? You're kidding... Anyway, I just don't see the Lakers getting Kidd. You keep comparing it to the AI trade with Denver and Philly, but it just isn't the same. AI didn't want to stay in Philly, Kidd wouldn't mind staying in Jersey. Billy King is as good of a GM as a blazed 17 year old who hasn't slept for 2 days, Rod Thorn is one of the best GMs in the league. Philly wanted to rebuild, the Nets haven't shown signs that they want to. It's two whole different scenarios. Anyway, the Nets don't need: -Kwame (he wouldn't help at all, Krstic is better anyway and even Moore can play better than him at times) -Farmar (already have Williams) -Odom (wouldn't solve any of the Nets' problems OR help a rebuilding proccess) or any other crap the Lakers want to trade. The only players are worth trading Kidd for on the Lakers are Bynum and Kobe. End of story.
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. What makes you think the Nets will take Farmar when they have Marcus Williams?</div> No one is saying the Nets will take Jordan Farmar. All I'm trying to say is, if the Nets do indeed want Farmar in a trade for Jason Kidd, for what ever reason, we better do it. Jordan Farmar can't be the piece that ends up having us not getting Jason Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No one is saying the Nets will take Jordan Farmar. All I'm trying to say is, if the Nets do indeed want Farmar in a trade for Jason Kidd, for what ever reason, we better do it. Jordan Farmar can't be the piece that ends up having us not getting Jason Kidd.</div> Well I think we all know even Mitch Cupcake, the dumbass that he is, wouldn't let that happen.
^Actually, Mitch gets a lot of undeserved hit. Jerry Buss has final say on all trades. Jim Buss, Jerry's son, is the one who shut down the Odom for Artest and Odom for Boozer deals. The Lakers had Bibby lined up last week, actually, but the Maloof's brothers pulled out because they didn't want to help the Lakers out according to a radio report.
<div class="quote_poster">kobimel Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LMAO, Mihm, McKie and a crap player for Kidd? You're kidding...</div> I didn't say only that. If we had to give up Kwame, Odom, or Farmar then do it. I was merely saying it would be painful to part ways with Kwame & Farm boy. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobimel:</div><div class="quote_post">-Kwame (he wouldn't help at all, Krstic is better anyway and even Moore can play better than him at times) -Farmar (already have Williams) -Odom (wouldn't solve any of the Nets' problems OR help a rebuilding proccess) or any other crap the Lakers want to trade. The only players are worth trading Kidd for on the Lakers are Bynum and Kobe. End of story.</div> The Nets have relatively no post scorer, and no interior defense outside of Collins. Kwame would be a huge boost, Cookie would be a big that can hit the three, Mihm is an absolutely nasty C when he is healthy, and Mckie & Shammond are just filler expiring contracts.
I wouldn't give up Kwame, Odom, and Farmar for Jason Kidd. That's way too much. If that is the Net's asking price, then we should pull out. If that trade does go through, that will leave us with absolutely no post presence what-so-ever. We would be extremely weak in the paint. Take how horrible of a rebounding team we are now, and multiply it by 20. We'd be giving out offensive rebounds play after play. Also, I think the only reason why we're going after Kidd is to have a Kobe-Odom-Kidd trio. If Odom leaves, it will basically leave us Kobe and Kidd. That duo will lead us to a complete 360 degrees change, right where we are now. We may improve by a couple of wins, but in the end, we'd still get eliminated in the first round because we would have absolutely no post presence what-so-ever
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Just out of curiosity, would you guys do Odom & Kwame plus fillers for Kidd & Carter?</div> How can a Laker fan not want this trade to go down?
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Just out of curiosity, would you guys do Odom & Kwame plus fillers for Kidd & Carter?</div> Carter can play SF better than Odom. Finding a player of Kidd's calibre @ PG is harder than finding a player of Kwame's calibre @ PF. Although generally PFs are more valuable. PG: Kidd/Vujacic/Farmar/Smush (one of the backups probably would go) SG: Kobe/Evans SF: Carter/Walton (maybe Walton would be traded in the trade) PF: Radmonovic/Cook C: Bynum/Turiaf /// Mihm wants to come back One of the problems though is that Kidd makes like 18 mill, Carter makes 14 or something, while Odom + Kwame make 20? The Lakers might have to pay luxury tax if they wanted to keep Mihm/Walton/Bynum (in the future). My guess is that it wouldn't work out too well, but if the salaries weren't an issue I would do it.
I don't know, without Odom and Kwame our rebounding is awful. Rebounding has been the factor on why we've been losing these half assed games.
<div class="quote_poster">YourNewChef Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know, without Odom and Kwame our rebounding is awful. Rebounding has been the factor on why we've been losing these half assed games.</div> Bynum should be able to step up on that department. Jason Kidd will bring more to the table than what Kwame or Odom can bring. Kwame has been all hype since he came in with little production. Odom has shown flashes of what he could have been, but more often than not he could very well be a star in the NBA D league. I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to decide between two could have beens and a Hall of Fame bound player.
