<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'> I am not feeling good about this at all. I think it's January before he even steps on the court.</p></div> </p> I might have to agree, we don't want to compound his injury. But he's in good hands. He should be in good shape by the last leg of the season I hope.
[quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='Kid Chocolate']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> Because it's just afoot surgery, not knees surgery.</p> And you judge a player by his rookie season, it's not fair at all.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> He was in bad shape when healthy, any injury should give doubts about his shape.</p> If we don't judge him by what we've seen of him, what should we judge him by? If he had a good rookie season and everyone was singing his praises, would you come in here and say 'That's not fair to judge him by, he's not that good'?</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> You can judge by what you have seen, but you can notjudge a player and set your allimpression by his rookie season only.</p> If you believe the rookie season is equal to his all career, then Antoine Wright should be a bust, and not start for the Nets in many games.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> Point out where anyone said he was a bust and his whole career should be judged on his rookie season.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ghoti:</div> <div class="quote_post"> </p> He should just stay out, because he's everyone's favorite player as long as he's not on the court.</p> My guess is that he will have flashes of brilliance in between all the horrible decision-making and non-existant defense.</p> </p> </p> </p> </div> </p> </p> tell me which season did you watch for Marcus, so you express those words above?</p> [/QUOTE]</p> That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p> You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p> If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p> </p>
I would expect Marcus to be Krstic-like when he comes back. He just needs to make sure he's ready before rushing back into the game. Sitting out won't improve your defense, or your ability to read the game and make decisions at game-speed. His shot will also probably be off for a bit, but as long as he can run through the offense, and still drive to the basket, I think he'll be effective.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p> You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p> If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p> you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p> But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p> when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p> You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p> If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p> you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p> But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p> when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p></div> </p> Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p> We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here.
So can we just be quiet and watch the games?</p> You can't affect a player by your words on the internet.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p> You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p> If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p> you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p> But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p> when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p> </div></p> Every story in the offseason is about how hard the players are working. That's just media fluff. It doesn't mean a thing.</p> I thought Marcus played his best at the beginning of the year, and got progressively worse as the season went along - culminating with the playoffs when he was just about unplayable.</p> Of course I hope he learned something and will make some strides in his second season, but to predict he's going to be great just because you wish it to be true isn't realistic.</p> My prediction is that he will do amazing things at times, and the rest of the time he will be maddeningly inconsistant and generally bad.</p> The best case scenario is that by playoff time (if the Nets make it) he will be able to contribute with his great playmaking skill and his weaknesses can be compensated for by his teammates.</p> </p> </p>
He'll be fine, he has a year under his belt, fewer off court distractions.....typical of all rookies. He will be able to fill in for the 15 Frank needs in place of Kidd.</p>
His defense sucks. But he might be the only player the Nets have other than Kidd who can consistently run a team.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerkstore)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p> You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p> If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p> you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p> But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p> when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p> </div></p> </p> Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p> </p> We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here. </div></p> Let's not forget that he was also terrible on the offensive end last season.</p> He started out displaying his marvelous court vision and setting up his teammates for easy hoops.</p> As the season progressed he played well as a spot scorer and offensive spark off the bench.</p> Then, he ababndoned his strength - his playmaking skill - and became a turnover machine. He threw horrible, "fancy" passes, took ill-advised shots, and made bonehead decision after bonehead decision.</p> Then, when this kind of play - along with his lack of defensive ability - earned him less minutes, he sulked and acted like the coach was out to get him and his poor play wasn't his fault.</p> He's very young and he didn't handle things that well. That's not unexpected at all. But it doesn't mean anyone should expect him to come back and immediately begin saving the season.</p> He needs to be worked in slowly, get his conditioning up, and be put in situations where he can keep things simple and accentuate his strengths.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p> </div></p> What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p> If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p> </p> </p>
did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
I just hope he's healthy and motivated. He's never going to be a lockdown defender, but if he hears enough that's he's a bad defender, hopefully he put in extra effort on the defensive end to try to at least slow down all those little guys that always cause the Nets so many problems. As far as his offense goes,I think that he will be better as the Nets style right now (w/ one big on the floor, and an athletic one at that) works well w/ what he can do.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p> </div></p> What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p> If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p> </div></p> Marcus Williams.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p> </div></p> What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p> If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p> </div></p> I think he's one of the ten best passers in the NBA.</p> I also think that if he started for a bad team, he'd average over 10 APG.</p> That doesn't change anything else I've said about him. It's part of the reason he was so frustrating.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p> </div></p> </p> I hope you also noticed that a couple times, when it was him and VC manning the guard positions, Toine could barely get the ball past the halfcourt line while being pressured. That's exactly what Dave D. said happened to him during Summer League.</p> Perhaps he's being trusted more as a decision maker and passer, but as a point guard, it just ain't gonna work.</p>
