How loaded is the NW Division!

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They can't shoot? Teague, Crawford, Butler, Wiggins, and Towns are all 35%+ shooters from 3? Seems like they have plenty of shooting.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Y'all are overrating the Wolves.
     
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    35% is an OK shooter IMO.

    I'd let Nurk go straight up and dig down with my guards on KAT. We'd let them live and die shooting contested 3s.

    They have deficiencies that go past those ugly ass uniforms.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I am not at all. I said Blazers fans over here would think we would make the WCF if not further if we had that much talent. Shit, they said we'd get HCA in the first round with what we have now.
     
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    37 doesn't mean much in my opinion. His body is probably in the shape of a 32 year old considering his role during his career. His numbers went down as the Clips got more talented. Didn't need to score as much. That kid can still take a game over and he will be a powerful weapon for them, watch.
     
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    Ya, what this guy said!
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    There were only 76 players in the league last year that hit at least .355 on at least 245 3PA. An average of 2.5 per team. Wolves have 5 of those, or two teams' worth. That's pretty strong.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Is Thibs really that great of a head coach? He seems to have acquired near-Popovich status around here, but hasn't achieved anything close to Pop like results.

    The last time one of his teams didn't underachieve was 2011-12. His last three years in CHI, his team averaged 47 wins in the pathetically weak Eastern Conference. He had a ton of talent, and I know there were injuries, but when the Spurs had injuries, it was always "next man up" and they kept right on winning.

    I guess this is the year we will see if Thibs is overrated, or he really is the next Gregg Popovich.

    BNM
     
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    Nobody asked you homie, get back to the OT page and leave the basketball talk to the grown folk!
     
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    I don't know. He's definitely not the next Pops - I don't know when we'll see another coach of his caliber. But I haven't paid enough attention to know where Thibs falls in with his peers - I just don't have enough time or care enough to follow other teams closely enough to form a real opinion. I'm willing to buy the narrative that he belongs in the 2-10 range because there really isn't much competition. This season will definitely paint a clearer picture of his talents.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Basketball isn't played on paper.

    Learn the game then post.
     
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    No, but rosters are built on it.........

    Wait, everything is probably done by email now, I take that back.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    .355 3FG% is below league average (.358). And since there is only one basketball, those five guys can't possibly all shoot ≥ 245 3FGA this season, you should probably cut that number in half.

    If you do, there were 116 players, nearly four per team, in the league last year that shot ≥ .355 3FG% on at least 123 3FGA. Not one of MIN's players was in the top half of that group. Of those 116, MIN's five ranked: 66th (Aaron Brooks), 86th (Towns), 87th (Butler), 102nd (Crawford), 108th (Teague) and 111th (Wiggins).

    They don't have a single elite 3-point shooter. What they have is five average shooters that jack up a lot of shots - but only one basketball.

    BNM
     
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    The Cavs had 6 players who met that criteria this past season, so it would seem reasonable to assume that the 5 Wolves mentioned could absolutely all have that many 3PA again this coming year as well.

    The point is--to say that "they can't shoot" (which is the assertion to which I initially took exception) is not supported by the data.
     
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    Being below average means you can't do it well. I stand by my assertion.
     
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    That says more about the East than the West.

    Mainly because you switch them, they don't make the West. Just because you make the All star in the East doesn't mean you're actually an all star if you're in the west. Too many factors.
     
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    Is he a legit NBA player?
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    If we go back to your original criteria of ≥ 245 3FGA, it looks even worse. Yes, they have five players on that list, but all five are in the bottom 20. They are Towns (56th, .367), Butler (57th, .367), Crawford, (67th, .360), Teague (71st, .357) and Wiggins, (73rd, .356).

    What I'm seeing is a whole lot of meh, three slightly above average 3-point shooters and two slightly below average. What you are calling a strength, I would call, at best, not a weakness.

    For comparison, would you call Al-Farouq Aminu a strong three point shooter? In 2015-16, he shot .361 3FG% (better than three of MIN's five, and within spitting distance of the other two. Yet he was the guy LAC and GSW left wide open in the play offs and flat out dared to shoot.

    He was down to .330 last year, but after coming back from his injury, shot .373 3Fg% - better than all of the Minnesota Five.

    If you knew, going into the season, that Al-Farouq Aminu was potentially our best 3-point shooter, would you consider 3-point shooting one of our strengths?

    BNM
     
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    And since when did making an all star team become a way to judge the quality of a player? If it was voted on by the players and coaches, sure.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Umm...You realize that in addition to the fan vote, it also is in fact voted on by the coaches and the players, right?
     

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