How low will California fall?

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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    its exactly this kind of attitude that ensures a systemic failure of california. "oh yeah, you're illegal, no matter, we'll just look the other way! everyone deserves to be here and use the facilities!"
     
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    heh

    The "illegals" pay their way in so many ways. I have no beef with them paying for an education here. I really just hope they stay here with their Rocket Science degrees and make the place that much better.
     
  4. EL PRESIDENTE

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    the rocket companies will all be moving out of state soon enough. Northurp Gruman already moved a bunch of their corporate to the east coast and when more of this global warming regulation and carbon cap and trade comes, they'll move manufacturing.
     
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    Are they in-state and have been paying taxes tot he state which have gone to paying for the university?
     
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    Yep.

    They are required to attend a state HS for 3 years and to graduate to qualify for the lower (in state) tuition.
     
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    And state income taxes?
     
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    Hell, the stereotype is that the illegals buy a lot of lottery tickets. The lottery is indeed supposed to fund schools.
     
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    Why not give out-of-state residents in-state tuition?
     
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    The requirement is attend a state HS for 3 years and graduate from HS.

    The state schools are _mostly_ for state residents to attend. They don't deny out of state residents the chance to attend, they just charge them more because they're not paying any taxes in the state at all.
     
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    Sure it does. They pay state income tax.

    Meg Whitman's housekeeper did, and that's a good example.
     
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    Even coming from you Denny, it is ridiculous to try to prove something with a single example.
     
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    they?

    you mean "some...maybe..but we can't put a number on it since they're undocumented".
     
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    Do you really think that is some isolated example?
     
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    Your reply was a ridiculous attempt.

    (that was easy)

    LOL

    Maybe say why you think the MSNBC article is somehow false.
     
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    California is suffering under a pernicious parasite, but it's actually the Federal Government:
    http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html
    (This link is from 2005, but it hasn't changed.)

    For every dollar in Federal taxes Californians pay, they get $0.78 back in federal spending. Considering they are by far the highest federal tax-paying state ($313 billion collected in 2007), that's a huge chunk o' dough that leaves the state every year. And people complain that the feds some day may have to "bail California out"? Lol! California bails out most of the red states every fucking year!

    If everybody stopped and really had a long think about it, liberals in New York and California could easily solve all of their budget woes by just going along with Republicans. Hack down the federal government spending and taxes to uber-austerity levels. Then just take all that savings and dump it into your local economy. Liberals would have all the money they need, and the local control to spend it exactly how they want.

    As an Idahoan, I'd be fucked. My state sucks on California's teat to the tune of $1.21 in Fed spending for every $1.00 we spend in taxes. But at least I wouldn't have to listen to local politicians bitch about the liberals in California as they greedily suck down California's tax money.
     
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    This is beyond stupid, Denny. (even after ignoring the first fact that your article is talking about federal tax, not state tax)

    Your own article says that 1.6 million ITINs were issued NATIONWIDE in 2006. The IRS received 7.9 million tax returns from names without SS numbers NATIONWIDE.

    Those numbers are nowhere near approaching the number of illegals in California. Are you REALLY trying to say that a large portion of illegals pay state income tax? You found some cases of isolated illegals paying state income tax and tried to pass that off as proof that large portions pay income tax, even when your own article says the opposite.
     

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