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PtldPlatypus said:
Depends on what the returns on those deals are. Also, I'd say Ayton won't be traded unless/until Clingan is ready to play starter's minutes.

But yeah, I'm not saying that a high pick in 2025 means they're in the play-in by 2026...just saying that another high pick in 2026 would not be needed to build a playoff team.
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I agree about Ayton. Many here want him traded. I am fine with him, at least for this season and then he is an expiring, RLEC 2.o! But if Portland trades the vets they should and embraces the youth this season and the one after, they could be a lottery team. No SGA on the team unless someone blows up.
 
Kind of depends on what happens with other franchises, right? I'd say it's going to take 5 years to clear out the likes of the Bucks, Nuggets, Suns, Sixers, etc. Of course, then you've got the young competition who are somewhat ahead of the Blazers...OKC, Spurs, Rockets, and so on as competition. I'd say five years is a reasonable window though.
 
Looking at past champions, it's clear the draft put in good position, but also they didn't do it with just a couple of guys that hit. There were key trades and acquisition for veterans to propel them to the next level and contention. Denver is a good example and even Boston had to make some key moves for older vets to compliment their Dynamic Dual.
 
e_blazer said:
Kind of depends on what happens with other franchises, right? I'd say it's going to take 5 years to clear out the likes of the Bucks, Nuggets, Suns, Sixers, etc. Of course, then you've got the young competition who are somewhat ahead of the Blazers...OKC, Spurs, Rockets, and so on as competition. I'd say five years is a reasonable window though.
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No. If this team is going to be good enough to contend, then it doesn't matter what the other teams are doing. We don't want to replace the top teams after they fall off; we want to develop and surpass them, even at their best.
 
RR7 said:
I like how we get the complaints that both we have too high of a payroll for a shit team, AND our owner is cheap.
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the cheap owner stuff was more about the Root broadcast TV scam. Asking Blazer fans to spend more to watch a bad team?

the PR guys told us "It's not Jody's fault, it's out of her hands. Comcast & Root jacking up prices was the best TV package available.".... how on earth are fans going to know what TV deals were available 5 years ago ??

the new hotshot owners are offering much better TV packages to fans. Meanwhile Jody refuses to budge. If it's not a cheap owner situation, it's definitely unusual.
 
Go back 8-9 years and look at the top 10 in the drafts. Some super nice players but only two that were key in a championship. Brown & Tatum
 
PtldPlatypus said:
No. If this team is going to be good enough to contend, then it doesn't matter what the other teams are doing. We don't want to replace the top teams after they fall off; we want to develop and surpass them, even at their best.
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I'm just saying that if you're looking at being top-6 in the league, there's going to be a significant changeover in about 5 years. Right now, the West is particularly crowded with good teams that trend older and young teams moving to good. It's tougher to break into top-6 contention when the field is so crowded. No matter how good the Blazers get, there are other teams pushing that direction too. Clearing out some of the dying wood occurs naturally.
 
Im thinking that Joe is going to wait till he really knows what he has in Scoot & Shaedon this next year before he starts dealing either Simons & Grant. He may know by trade deadline.
 
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oldfisherman said:
I like the potential of our young roster. We have a lot of good young talent. But...

It feels like we are one key player away from being a top 6 team. Not sure how, or when, we land that key player? We are almost too talented to land that player in the draft.
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I agree. I voted 2-4 years but management has to make the right move(s) to find that pc to the puzzle and its a decent sized pc.

I like our youth and expect significant jumps from Scoot, Shae, Camara and Walker this year.

What is truly essential and the single most important thing to have happen this upcoming season is to stay healthy. If we aren't healthy we will never truly see what ww have, to then determine what is still needed.
Health is the number one priority this season, to me.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im thinking that Joe is going to wait till he really knows what he has in Scoot & Shaedon this next year before he starts dealing either Simons & Grant. He may know by trade deadline.
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Agreed. Its why its so important to remain healthy this season. Both youngs and vets.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im thinking that Joe is going to wait till he really knows what he has in Scoot & Shaedon this next year before he starts dealing either Simons & Grant. He may know by trade deadline.
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Because if one of them dont look to be a build around piece they, may be included in a trade.
 
Cannot predict how the lottery plays out but it will be tough being better than Boston, NY, Dallas, Minnesota, San Antonio, and OKC for awhile.

We still have no idea where Sharpe and Scoot careers are heading either. Both could make All-NBA teams (doubt either are MVP candidates) or could be just ok. Regardless of ownership, I do not think we should stop the tank till we have a player that has MVP potential.
 
Does not matter. Literally at all.

Whether it's soon, and those who expect it are vilified
Or it's a while, and those who have come to grips are vilified
Or it's hella long ways away, and those who don't accept will stay right here and complain about it daily...

It is exactly what it is going to be.

Here is a crazy concept.....fans could enjoy the journey regardless....cuz not a single comment here will ever alter the path the team takes.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Cannot predict how the lottery plays out but it will be tough being better than Boston, NY, Dallas, Minnesota, San Antonio, and OKC for awhile.

We still have no idea where Sharpe and Scoot careers are heading either. Both could make All-NBA teams (doubt either are MVP candidates) or could be just ok. Regardless of ownership, I do not think we should stop the tank till we have a player that has MVP potential.
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100%
And get rid of any vets who will contribute to wins. You can always add those guys back once we get the young talent.
 
BassPlaya said:
Does not matter. Literally at all.

Whether it's soon, and those who expect it are vilified
Or it's a while, and those who have come to grips are vilified
Or it's hella long ways away, and those who don't accept will stay right here and complain about it daily...

It is exactly what it is going to be.

Here is a crazy concept.....fans could enjoy the journey regardless....cuz not a single comment here will ever alter the path the team takes.
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Again...
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Someone who is vilified for something are being abused like they are some sort of villain. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I'd imagine you are trying to get to the word vindicated but I can't be sure.
 
Im old enough to remember an era when NBA teams tried to win as many games as possible each year in order to make the playoffs. Then it was kind of a new season from there. And fan support grew with TV
The team with the worst record in the league got the #1 pick. And there were a few teams that got that pick numerous times. But playoff basketball was the what really created excitement and hope that you could Shock The World. If an organization was constantly at the bottom they were deemed bad organizations, because many couldn't make noise with numerous high picks on a regular basis. Salaries took off, the league expanded with wild cards & nearly half the teams made the off's. When the lottery came about coupled with 1 and done, with a few generational players , there seemed to be trend to tank. I do think some teams use it as a way to cut cost and start over with more manageable salaries until they catch the star to build on.
 
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BassPlaya said:
Does not matter. Literally at all.

It is exactly what it is going to be.

Here is a crazy concept.....fans could enjoy the journey regardless....cuz not a single comment here will ever alter the path the team takes.
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This could be said about literally every thread in this forum.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im old enough to remember an era when NBA teams tried to win as many games as possible each year in order to make the playoffs. Then it was kind of a new season from there. And fan support grew with TV
The team with the worst record in the league got the #1 pick. And there were a few teams that got that pick numerous times. But playoff basketball was the what really created excitement and hope that you could Shock The World. If an organization was constantly at the bottom they were deemed bad organizations, because many couldn't make noise with numerous high picks on a regular basis. Salaries took off, the league expanded with wild cards & nearly half the teams made the off's. When the lottery came about coupled with 1 and done, with a few generational players , there seemed to be trend to tank. I do think some teams use it as a way to cut cost and start over with more manageable salaries until they catch the star to build on.
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That's the only way for small market teams to compete. That's just the reality of the situation. When one or two guys can be the difference between winning 50 games and 30 games on an NBA team you have to have top end talent.

For small market teams, the only way to do that is to draft them.

We need to get the highest draft pick we possibly can until we have a couple guys we are sure we'll be all stars. If we don't do that we're just shooting ourselves in the foot.

To do that without tanking in bad taste during the season we need to get rid of most of our vets. The ones we have the most duplication with are Ant and Grant.
 
Phatguysrule said:
100%
And get rid of any vets who will contribute to wins. You can always add those guys back once we get the young talent.
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How do you define a vet? Is there a certain age? Is Sharpe a vet yet?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
How do you define a vet? Is there a certain age? Is Sharpe a vet yet?
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Guys who have peaked in their development and aren't likely to be perennial all stars.

Definitely does not include Sharpe.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im old enough to remember an era when NBA teams tried to win as many games as possible each year in order to make the playoffs. Then it was kind of a new season from there. And fan support grew with TV
The team with the worst record in the league got the #1 pick. And there were a few teams that got that pick numerous times. But playoff basketball was the what really created excitement and hope that you could Shock The World. If an organization was constantly at the bottom they were deemed bad organizations, because many couldn't make noise with numerous high picks on a regular basis. Salaries took off, the league expanded with wild cards & nearly half the teams made the off's. When the lottery came about coupled with 1 and done, with a few generational players , there seemed to be trend to tank. I do think some teams use it as a way to cut cost and start over with more manageable salaries until they catch the star to build on.
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Might be the classic "It was better when..." but I remember loving being a fan of some really bad Pacer teams in my youth. Never thought they were trying to tank, even though that was an era of some really bad owners. The Kings and Clippers come to mind. Not sure what the answer is to getting teams to always be trying to win with the teams most deserving getting the top choice in the draft.

The past few seasons have been tough to be a Blazer fan with our indirect tanking strategy.
 
I'd say there is nothing to suggest Portland will be a top 6 team in the future. With the amount of turnover in the league, projecting 5+ years out feels like a near worthless exercise.

Having said that, I'll put the odds of them being a top 6 team in the next 5 years at less than 10%.
 
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where team has been
Or tear it down, and start again
 
PtldPlatypus said:
This could be said about literally every thread in this forum.
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Do I have to post the same post in every thread? Lol

I tried to pick a poster child of a thread that kind of stood for the rest.

For me, I love following this team. I focus on what I like, and accept the rest. Works for me. The defeatist pall on this board is astounding.
 
My hope is 5-7 years.

8-10 would be ok, might even have one of Scoot, Sharpe, etc still performing a role.

11+ is most likely the clearly correct answer, which is kind of depressing.
 
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