How Many Years To Rebuild This Team?

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I think the better questions to ask is when does LMA ask to be traded from this well run organization?
     
  2. BlazerBeav

    BlazerBeav Well-Known Member

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    I think people here seem to have a skewed idea of how well run this franchise is. Despite the horrific series of injuries to two of our three cornerstone players, we still (hopefully) have a playoff team. Our team plays in a great arena and unlike some small market teams, isn't driven by trying to make a profit (Phoenix for example). Are things perfect? No. But the idea that we're one big clusterfuck and everyone else knows what they're doing is silly. LA fans want their GM's head.
     
  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    What about this?

    Boston, Phoenix and PDX - Three Team

    Boston trades Rondo, their pick and Jerm; they receive Nash and Childress

    PDX trades G. Wall and Felton; they receive Rondo and Jerm

    Phoenix trades Nash and Childress; they receive Boston's pick, G. Wall and Felton.

    Why Phoenix does it? Well they are rebuilding. This deal gives them another 7 mil in cap this summer. They also receive a pick and chances are they lose more games; which will give them a better shot at winning the draft lotto.

    Why Boston does it? They have only 1-2 more years left with Garnett, Ray Allen and Pierce. Pairing them up with Nash would give them another 1-2 years of contention and then they can rebuild.

    Why Portland does it? Well they get Rondo.
     
  4. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Getting a really good, proven point guard is going to be very expensive (not so much in dollars but in terms of assets). For now, this team should be looking for mere "competence" in the secondary tier (Ramon Sessions, Calderon, Luke Ridnour, etc.) and try like hell to finally draft and develop a guy at some point (maybe that's Nolan Smith, or maybe there's somebody in the draft this year?).

    Frankly, I don't know how attractive this team is going to be free agents, but my gut tells me, "not very." If that's the case they should try to trade players into their cap space that they think can help them, with an eye to accumulating undervalued assets irrespective of position (sort of how Minny went out and grabbed guys like Anthony Randolph, Micheal Beasley, etc. for pennies on the dollar) and picks whenever they can. the goal should be getting more athletic, a little younger and stockpiling enough talent over the next two years that they actually have some ammunition in their belt when it comes to trades ... and for god's sake I hope they don't fall into the trap of trying to hold on to everyone again.
     
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  5. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I think I'd rather have Augustine.
     
  6. Sedatedfork

    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

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    He probably gets recruited at the ASG and if he makes the Olympic team. However, I don't think he is the type to publicly demand a trade. I imagine he wouldn't mind going to play for one of the Texas teams.
     
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    Especially if his hometown Mavericks land Deron Williams
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    I pretty much concur with this line of thinking and will return to the Ramon Sessions drum that I've beating for the past three to four years. Outside of the one season in Minnesota, where he was shoehorned into a triangle-type offense that didn't suit him at all, he's been an above average point guard. At this point, he's a pretty proven veteran point guard and yet he's all of 25. He may not have much star potential, but he has the potential to be what some people here thought Felton was: a good, young-prime point guard who could grow with Aldridge and Batum (unlike Felton, though, Sessions has been above average through his career). You don't need a star at every position, but Sessions would give the team a chance at some long-term, competent stability at an important position and they can focus on adding another star at whatever position they can find or develop one.
     
  9. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Yeah, I'd be ok with Sessions. Certainly better than what we have now. But I'd personally prefer the recycled older PG's route. The older ones who are worth a damn I'm thinking of (guys like Billups, Calderon, Nash) all have decent 3 point range and playoff experience. Sessions has neither. (Well, historically anyway. Sessions is on a weird three pointer tear right now (43% on 44 shots). If he doesn't come back down to earth on three point shooting I might change my mind.)
     
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    Masbee -- Rookie of the Year

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    Billups is out for the season with an injury.

    Nash would cost a lot to obtain in a trade being the face of the franchise.

    Calderon can't guard a chair, so he solves one problem while creating a new one. Not sure what Toronto would want for him. I would assume a lot as their backup is Anthony Carter (Bayless and Barbosa are combo guards) and thus, Calderon leads the Raptors in minutes played.

    You are going to have to find some new candidates.
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    1 year, if smart people ran this team.
     
  12. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I was discussing options for either at the trade deadline or next year, so with Billups I was assuming he'd recover by then. Don't know how serious his injuries are.

    Nash would cost a lot. I'm not optimistic, but it's a possibility. Gerald Wallace was once the face of a franchise too. Of course, contract situations are different.

    Yeah, Calderon's defense sucks. But with good-to-great defenders at so many other positions, maybe we can live with that. We've got a lot more guys who can defend than we do guys who can hit a three pointer or run an offense. As for him leading the team in minutes played, well, he's leading a team winning at a .281 clip. Are they really worried about getting worse? A deal where we send Felton and a youngster saves them $10 mil next year. They start Felton for the rest of this year and then let him leave.

    For the quick fix, I kind of like the Calderon deal most in terms of feasibility. He's nobody's "dream point guard," but he's better than the nightmare we have now.
     
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  13. BLAZER PROPHET

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    I don't think a quick fix with players over 35 is the answer. It might be if we had some really good young talent on the bench waiting to mature, but that really isn't the case- so Nash and Billups are out for me.

    I like the idea of Calderon.
     
  14. magnifier661

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    I think it's very possible to get a Nash and not have to give up Batum. I think that core is a solid one for the next 3 years. Then hopefully we get some E. Will action. I truly believe this kid actually can be another "Batum type" diamond in the rough. I think he has more drive to be the best and has that chip on his shoulder that he can be the best.

    With that said, I would try my best to get a decent shooting PG, that is a facilitator. What other PGs are out there that can fill this need? Well we don't need superstars. We just need a player like "Ridnour" or at that caliber. I think we can get a player like that pretty easily.

    I think the next step is to find a starting caliber PF. I think Aldridge is big enough now to play center. We need another banger in the line-up. I think Gooden would be fine, but I would hope for more of a Landry type.
     
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    Milsap would be good. We almost nabbed him too.
     
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    All of those moves are like trying to patch up a sinking ship with duct tape.....
     
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    rondo has a secret extensive doll collection, from my 1980's movie star source, also marshall faulk is a degenerate gambler
     
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    Not that long if they could get a similar deal for aldridge that utah got for deron. Tank the rest of the season for a lotto pick in this draft, and resign batum.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    If we could grab Milsap; we would not be good. We'd be SET!
     

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