How will Kobe rank in the MVP rankings next year?

I like stats, but I like simple stats, not the 82games and basketreference ones you guys love to post.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm a Kobe fan, and I'll admit it. I think he is untouchable by D-Wade and Lebronze atm. Not to say they won't/can't surpass him when I think they are perfectly cabable.

Here is what I hate though Bobcats. People saying something stupid like Wade > Kobe, or LBJ > Kobe. I hate equally the people who say Kobe > Jordan but for different reasons.

It's so premature in both Wade and Lebronze's career to say they are better than this veteran who is just getting into his prime, won scoring champ,, won 3 championships, and the list goes on.

It's like taking a dump on history. It was like when Stephon Marbury said, "Amare is better than KG, no contest."

Also Durvasa you have too much time on your hands . Plus according to your report Kobe almost beats out Wade and LeBron in all categories, no? Or am I mistaken.
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Lebron and Wade > Kobe....lol......I'm sorry but the whole "he's the veteran and they're the young guys" excuse is pretty lame, especially considering Kobe hasn't accomplished that much since Shaq left.....Bron and Wade are very much on Kobe's level and you can make an argument for both being possibly better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I have known people that use different formulas, which is why I mentioned it. Now, I never disputed that your new PER rankings weren't nice, just clarifying some details.</div>

Used different formulas for PER? I'm not familiar with them. Remember where they are?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron and Wade > Kobe....lol......I'm sorry but the whole "he's the veteran and they're the young guys" excuse is pretty lame, especially considering Kobe hasn't accomplished that much since Shaq left.....Bron and Wade are very much on Kobe's level and you can make an argument for both being possibly better.</div>

If one wants to dispute who is better among Kobe, Lebron, and Wade, that is one thing, but derisive comments are irritating.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Used different formulas for PER? I'm not familiar with them. Remember where they are?</div>

Here's some info for you:

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ALLEYOOP.COM PLAYER RATINGS

Welcome to Alleyoop.com's player ratings. Using a detailed formula, I have developed a system that rates every player's statistical performance, and have ratings for ever year going back to 1990.
The ratings are NOT intended to be the final word on how a player performs, but are designed to inform the debate. There are several factors that aren't included in the ratings. The most notable is position defense - the part that doesn't involve blocked shots and steals. But factors like durability as well as less tangible ones (leadership, for example) are others that can't be rated numerically.

Nevertheless, it's a start, because it takes the statistics that are available and boils them down in a way that's easy to understand. It interprets the things that we do know - how many shots a guy made, how many rebounds, etc. - in a much more systematic way than anything I've seen to date.

The formula, which I call the Player Efficiency Rating (PER), adds the good (made shots, steals, assists, rebounds, blocked shots, free throws), and subtracts the bad (missed shots, turnovers, fouls) by assigning a point value to each item (I arrive at the point values in a fairly tortuous way, and that's one of the parts I'm saving for the book). The rating for each player is then adjusted to a per-minute basis (so that, for example, you can compare subs with starters in the frequent 'he should start ahead of so-and-so' debates), and also adjusted for the team's pace. In the end, one number sums up the players' accomplishments (the statistical ones, anyway) for that season. I've set it up so that the league average, every season, is 15.00, which produces sort of a handy reference guide:
A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
On next plane to Yakima: 5.0

It's superior to other ratings I've seen (such as this hideous one that doesn't even think Shaq is the best center; I can't believe they were allowed to publish this) for a number of reasons. First of all, most ratings tend to overweigh the non-scoring categories, which is great if you're in an 8-category fantasy league but produces results that don't jive with reality. The "IBM Award" is the most notable of these; the fact that Michael Jordan didn't win it during any of his five MVP years says a lot (David Robinson, on the other hand, won this award five times. I propose renaming it the "IBM Roto MVP Award").

There are a number of variations on the "Tendex" system, which basically adds points for good stuff and subtracts for bad stuff, just like the ratings here do. The problem is the weights they put on categories are screwy (most add exactly one point for all the "good" and subtract the same for all the "bad"), and so tend to distort the importance of some categories. For instance, I've seen versions from last year that didn't even have Allen Iverson in the top 20 because they overrated missed shots. It's worse if you go back in history; use a Tendex-type method for the early '90's and you'll consistently see David Robinson rated higher than Michael Jordan, which borders on blasphemy. </div>

 

the point of my post wasn't even to state why I think Bron and Wade are better, it was just to make a point that Kobe is not the clear cut, hands down winner out of the 3....it's very debatable.

 

Kobe will be amongst the top as usual, but he wont get it.

Because his team wont be that great.

 

quick question for everyone....if tmac is healthy and New Orleans emerges like everyone is expecting and the TWolves finally get back in the hunt...would it be possible that the Lakers might not even make the post season?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">the point of my post wasn't even to state why I think Bron and Wade are better, it was just to make a point that Kobe is not the clear cut, hands down winner out of the 3....it's very debatable.</div>

What did one say? That one can dispute that issue, that is fine. But other things you stated are just ignorant (the Shaq comment). There are few who can put up 28+ PER and nice defense.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">quick question for everyone....if tmac is healthy and New Orleans emerges like everyone is expecting and the TWolves finally get back in the hunt...would it be possible that the Lakers might not even make the post season?</div>
Yes. A lot of Laker fans are saying the Lakers are a lock and etc, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of teams around us have improved. You look at our division, the Clippers will be even better this year with improved chemistry, the Suns will get Amare back, and the Warriors just signed one of the most respected coaches in Don Nelson. You put into perspective at how teams like the Hornets, Nuggets, and Rockets may improve, it will be a tough hunt. Do I still think the Lakers will make it into the playoffs? Yes. Do I think it will be a breeze? By all means no, but I think we should be able to surprise some people by taking the 5th or 6th seeds in the west. Keep in mind that last season was most of our roster's first time playing in the triangle offense. This season, we will get added depth (Mo Evans), and more experience.

Western Conference playoff contenders (not ordered): San Antonio, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, New Orleans, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Golden State, Sacramento, Denver, Utah?? (healthy AK47 could put them into contention)

 

I can't remember the last time making the playoffs in the West was a breeze. When you take a look at it carefully, almost every team (except SA, Dallas, Phoenix, LA Clippers) has a glaring weakness that goes hand in hand with their expectations. Teams like Houston, New Orleans, and Utah are one predictable injury away from being put out of contention. Denver has regressed this offseason (assuming they don't sign Bonzi), and has yet to address their weak shooting. And, IMO, Golden State's new coach overshadows the fact that this is essentially the same roster as last year, with a couple new prospects. In the end, I believe teams like Sacramento and the LA Lakers will find a spot in the playoffs. While they might not have been given the same amount of hype as these other teams, chemistry is a vital aspect. And both teams have shown (especially towards the end of last season), that with enough time together they can contend with almost any team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">If one wants to dispute who is better among Kobe, Lebron, and Wade, that is one thing, but derisive comments are irritating.

Here's some info for you:</div>

Thanks. I know that there are other linear weights rating systems (NBA Efficiency rating would be another one). What I was proposing isn't just an alternate rating system. I'm taking the standard PER formula, but instead of using estimates for the some of the parameters I'm substituting more precise values for each player.

You said earlier that Wade isn't as good an offensive player as Kobe/LeBron/Dirk based "objectively" on PER. While technically true using the standard PER formula, when you make the formula more exact that isn't the case.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks. I know that there are other linear weights rating systems (NBA Efficiency rating would be another one). What I was proposing isn't just an alternate rating system. I'm taking the standard PER formula, but instead of using estimates for the some of the parameters I'm substituting more precise values for each player.

You said earlier that Wade isn't as good an offensive player as Kobe/LeBron/Dirk based "objectively" on PER. While technically true using the standard PER formula, when you make the formula more exact that isn't the case.</div>

Yes I understand now that this issue has been clarified.

 

Kobe

evry body that watches basketball or knows anything about basketball know that kobe is the best player in the NBA. But there are ppl who look at kobe from a different pointvof view, or they are just hating. In less kobe averages 33/6/6 and has another career year, and also leads his to to 50+wins, he will not win the mvp race.

But in my opinion Kobe will be the 2007 MVP and the best player.