Howard a possibility still?

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  1. PtldPlatypus

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    So, you're bringing Howard in for $10M? Because that's all the cap space that's left after signing Parsons to a max if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, Aminu, and Davis.
     
  2. Natebishop3

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    I don't think you're following... To get Howard you have to renounce Harkless. You have to renounce Leonard. You have to trade someone like Aminu or Davis.
     
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    Explain how you think a S&T would work.

    EDIT: To clarify my understanding is:

    We'd have to be over the cap by ~$24M with $24M in player salaries to trade to match the incoming. If we're under the cap and use cap space, we're in the same position we're in now, we just sign him.
     
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    I guess in theory we could try to trade Davis or Aminu to Houston for Howard (in addition to all the other moves that would be required.)
     
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    If we were to trade for a 20+ million dollar salary, either the end result of the trade would have to still leave us under the salary cap, or we'd have to send out outgoing salaries that were within $5M of the incoming salary. So there isn't really a way to work a sign/trade for Howard that doesn't still involve clearing a ton of salary for him.
     
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    Haha!:tongue:
     
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    Let's say that Houston liked Meyers or Harkless enough to take them on starting at around $16M or so and Dwight would agree to a S & T starting at around $25, seems like the Blazers could clear enough to absorb the difference. Probably reasons why that doesn't work, but as far as I can see, as long as one of those guys was amenable to the idea and didn't sign any other offer sheets, it seems plausible.
     
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    Yeah, but wouldn't the outgoing salary of one of our RFAs be the new salary instead of their cap hold?
     
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    The key is for them to take no more than $38M combined. That means we'd only need to clear $15M. That means we could keep Crabbe, Harkless, and Plumlee/Vonleh while only trading away Davis, Plumlee/Vonleh, and renouncing Meyers.

    So hypothetically we could keep AC, Hark, and Plums and then try to fill the roster a little more. CLE pick and Connaught on for Robert Covington, then go after a Jarrett Jack or David West with the cap space exception
     
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    If Houston wants to pay Leonard $21M, we should jump all over that S&T.

    If Houston wants to pay Leonard $10.5M and Harkless $10.5M, we should do that, too.

    I see that a 3rd team might want to take one of those two, but I'm not seeing why Houston would facilitate it.
     
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    That's not gonna happen. We either offered max or near max to Parsons. Dwight supposedly wants 24 a year.
     
  12. TBpup

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    That is possible but S&T deals are much less frequent than they used to be because of some changes in the last CBA. If both teams wanted to make it happen, it still could happen.
     
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    If the end result of the deal would leave us under the cap, the S&T wouldn't be needed.

    If the end result of the deal puts us over the cap, then our outgoing salary (for the $25M in your example) would need to be $20M. However, when re-signing your own free agent for a sign-and-trade deal, and that free agent gets a raise of at least 20% over his old salary, the signing-and-trading team's outgoing salary for that player and deal is only HALF of his new salary. So, even if we signed/traded Leonard to a max ($22M) deal, for salary matching purposes we'd only be sending out $11M, so we wouldn't be permitted to take back a $25M deal.

    This is the "base-year-compensation" rule, and it makes simultaneous sign-and-trade deals virtually impossible.
     
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    As of right now, Houston's getting zip for Howard. Why wouldn't they want to get some good young talent in return for him?
     
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    Meyers would only count as $10.5M in an outgoing sign and trade if we signed him for $21M. With the fact that you can't trade him with anyone else, a sign and trade with one of our RFAs and Dwight would be impossible
     
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    Why do I get the feeling Parsons will just kick us in the nuts and the plan goes to hell lol.
     
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    Look at it this way: If we were offered a trade last season that netted us Howard and Parsons, and we only had to send out Leonard, Harkless, Davis, Montero, and Alexander. Wouldn't you accept that?

    (I'm not counting Hendo/Kaman/Roberts because they were gone no matter what.)
     
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    I'm not sure where you got the 20%/HALF salary thing.
     
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    Base Year Compensation rule, I think.
     
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    They're getting $24M in cap space. They can use it to get whoever they want vs. whatever the Blazers have to offer.
     

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