HS Male wrestler forfits match vs Girl

While I agree that it's good for someone to stick to their beliefs, what if their beliefs was that he refused to wrestle a gay male?

Or if the person was black? or Asian? or of a different religious background?

Would that still be "right" or honorable?

 

how do you figure? they're all personal beliefs. They're all reasons people do or don't do something. Why are some personal beliefs "honorable" and others aren't?

What makes not wrestling girls (due to "violence"...which usually is not something a person goes willingly into, and practices how to counter stuff, or inact it themselves) honorable? Because it's awkward? I'd rather stick my hand between a girls crotch than a boys. I'd rather grapple with a girl than a boy. To me, THAT'S awkward.

If your religion believes that being around homosexuals is wrong, would it be honorable? Not sure how that's any different (spare me the "choice" bs).

Why is it all the sudden honorable to not see a woman as an equal here? It's not like he was wrestling an untrained girl, who had absolutely no idea what she was doing. She obviously was stronger than some boys, as her record was not too bad.

If the match was one between a 150 pound boy, and a 90 pound girl who has no training in wrestling, I could see were the "violence against girls" argument could be made.

 

not equating, just wondering what makes a personal belief valid or not.

I would have wrestled her, but it's because I don't see gender. I only know I'm male because people tell me that I'm smart. (that's a Stephen Colbert inspired line).

In all honestly, I would've wrestled her. She was qualified to be an opponent, and I bet she would be nor more interested in putting her hand in strange places on me as I would be on her.

 

There is a difference between gender and sexuality; in this case, gender was the issue, and it had nothing to do with sexuality, so all these comments about "groping" or "awkwardness" are off-base.

He said that wrestling is a combat (as opposed to contact) sport, and he doesn't feel it appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in such. In otherwords, he doesn't believe it's OK for him--a boy--to fight with (as opposed to touch or compete against) a girl. I was always told the same thing growing up, and I tell my son the same thing now. This is not a controversial opinion; it's only controversial because of its application in this situation.

It should be noted that the boy and his family never once indicated that the girl shouldn't be able to participate in the sport, that they didn't protest her inclusion in the tournament, that they didn't request any change in the seedings. His decision was not about her, but only about what he felt was OK for him to do.

 

Context. Rather than analyzing hypotheticals for which we don't have the context, why not just focus on the situation at hand for which we do?

 

I love how the fact that this family has a different perspective than you makes them idiots, yet they're the closed-minded ones.

 

I wrestled a year of HS too and you'd be surprised that many teams do have 1 or 2 girls on their teams. And quite often they're good. Never saw anyone refuse to wrestle them but its certainly a dilemma. The biggest issue IMO is safety. Anyone who played organized tackle football knows that the game becomes dangerous when someone isn't going 100%. To me thats the biggest issue. As a man there are certain areas you don't want to put your hands on a girl, even in a sporting competition. And additionally if you get the upper hand and have the opportunity to pull a slam or something like that you have the dilemma of do you do that or not? You shouldn't differentiate between opponents but you're raised your entire life not to hit women and although they would want you to not hold back, its very hard as a human who's been trained so long to go through with it and possibly injure them. What if they do get injured? You look like a huge fucking asshole. And thirdly a lot of wrestling is just dirty tactics that cause pain and make the opponent uncomfortable. When the action isn't going that quickly you're taught to grind your headgear on their face/head and things like that which hurt and potentially distract or discourage the opponent. Its hard to justify that with a girl IMO.

If it were me I wouldn't feel comfortable going 100% against the girl. I know I shouldn't be that way in the situation of wrestling because the girl you're going against wants your best effort but its just too against my nature to do some of the things I would do against a man and that makes it more dangerous for both parties. Not to mention unfair advantages competitively. I can just imagine if I ever wrestled a girl in HS and didn't hold back, grabbed wherever I wanted, pull some pain inflicting tactics there would be no way my mom could think that was ok. And even aside from upbringing its a no win situation for the guy as far as peer influence goes. Losing to a girl would be hellish. Even if you knew you held back and weren't able to do everything you wanted you'd still get shit non-stop. And what happens if you win? You still probably get made fun of and for all the pro-feminist dickholes (who probably wouldn't commend you at all for competing) there are just as many traditionalist people who would judge you for justifying going into a combat sport with a woman.

 

This "idiot" won't compete against a girl because of the respect he has for women. Which you now bash. Glad to see that you aren't consistently feminist, but consistently hateful of anything with a religious aspect.

EDIT: At what point did he say she shouldn't wrestle? And who are you or anyone else to tell him what to do in a voluntary sport?

 

Disagree completely.

barfo

 

Respect for women, as long as they're at home poppin out babies.

you want to respect women? treat them as equals and don't think you have to "protect" them.

 

I call BS. When you and the rest of the country stop being hypocritical, that might be a start. When did he say "get her home and pop out babies?" Or is there another King James cliff note mis-application coming? He proved he respected women enough to give up a chance at something he'd worked years for. You saying that a woman is the same as a man is foolish, ignorant, dangerous and just plain wrong.

Women as a gender are different, and our country's laws (and the world's!) are rife with that sentiment.

Segregation by bathroom. Segregation in sports (Title IX). Segregation in roles in the military.

He wasn't taking a stand against Title IX, or homosexuality, or anything other than his belief that he shouldn't want to beat up a woman in the context of a wrestling match.

 

wasn't his mom a stay at home mom with 8 kids? I thought I read that somewhere. maybe it was not true.

You're right, women are not our equals.

You're right, women aren't our equals.

 

additionally, it's laughable that someone would be ignorant enough to state that religion is based upon keeping women "popping out babies", when it was Wilberforce and Spurgeon who were among the earliest proponents of women's suffrage and the New Testament is filled from the first chapter with references to the equal treatment of women. But much like hospitals, food banks, charities, etc., now it's cool for the hatemongers to demonize the church with whatever mud they want to sling, regardless of whether it's grounded in truth or not.

 

Thankfully someone can put aside the hate and see things rationally. I've done my job for today!

(...wait a second...)

Nevermind. Delusion reigns again! Let's make up words! Yay!