Funny I get call a racist.

You say what they preach. You say it day after day.
You say the white man(devil) owes you.

Just like a follower.

 

Sad thing is. Its the OP's refusal to learn. Not his lack of ability to.

 

I am fine thank you. I am just pointing out the stance dviss takes day after day is also preached by a known organization.
Where the white man is seen as the devil. He probably did not invent the idea, just follows the lead.

 

Just revealing one of the sources of division.

 

There's a civil way to have discussions and I'll tell you it's not by stuffing people into pigeonholes and defining them as such. It's called illusory correlation. It's self-fulfilling and counterproductive....in my opinion.

 

Well, I suppose it is possible that some frustration shows through where they otherwise might not.
I was in the Emergency room on 7/3/18, for what? I am not yet sure. The ER test indicated it was not heart trouble, but not exactly what it was. At the time, I thought the clock had run out, the pain was awful.

I was to get follow up care with my provider at the VA. But I could not get an appointment. Not quite sure why. At the advice of the nurse, I got all the diagnostic data from the hospital and transported it myself to the VA clinic, but there is no one to read it, nor could I get the appoint to discuss the issue and the options. I have had three more of these attacks for which I have opium pills which really do not work well. I find two Ibuprofen and a beer work better to get it under control.

I tried to get help with the VA from Senator Wydens office, several calls to staff, but no response. I finally did get help from the Veterans advocate in Coos County. She had called connections in the Roseburg Hospital and they got the Northbend Clinic to schedule me in, two weeks from today. That is only 2 months and week after the initial trouble began. I guess the Roseburg people had to schedule another provider to work North Bend so they could schedule me.


Yes this does piss me off. It pisses me off to have a carpetbagger Senator that does not give a shit. It pisses me off that the VA is still so poorly managed. It pisses me off to have dviss tell me I (white men) owe him, when he is just regurgitating the rot preached by the Nation of Islam. He may not know the source, but he does it.

I am pretty happy otherwise, thanks for asking.

 

Thanks for your opinion. How long have you been reading what dviss says? He has be telling me I am a racist, that white men owe him for about 12 years now. I am sort of surprise it took so long to identify a possible source of his tactics and tenacity.

 

Name calling period is the problem here...needs to stop...nobody has a right to define anyone here with personal attacks or judgements...in even starting a thread with this title it's practicing divisive behavior and inviting a response that could never be one of gaining understanding or making peace. What should have been a civil discussion became a pissing contest Marz….and this thread really should be titled...you don't like dviss..or you have issues with certain religious groups..Sly was right to lock the other thread because it became what it shouldn't have...a rude pissing contest...find some common ground and accept that someone else might not agree with you...or just agree to disagree in a thread...I suggest you use the ignore function and move on

 

Thank you for your insight river. I learned something in the other thread. I identified the similarity in the years of attack I have receive from one poster. I see no common ground to be had, but the source of his style is more clear. I think I shall not care in the future when he directs it at me. But I will jump his shit when he directs it at some other unsuspecting member.

 

I feel for you. I also went through the system run around. Just go into the emergency room at the PDX OHSU, the y will get you in that day

 

The complexity here is a bit daunting...but let me just say I hear this sentiment from my father, who I love dearly and who, like you, does not appreciate the finger pointed his way. He has done nothing wrong, he intimates. And for the most part, I can agree with him. He doesn't want to pay for his great grandfather's sins. Okay, I get it.

However, this isn't about you, or him. This isn't even your story. Shocking as it may seem, there is a bit of prejudice in this country. Everyone would be sorry to hear of your terrible experience with the VA. It seems you have served your country and nobody much seems to appreciate it. You could argue that the system in place is not built to make things easy for you, and instead of helping, in fact, takes its toll, all while just being its impartial self, and being there for our Vets! This, my friend, is the USA for many of its citizens; saying one thing, but very much being structured to the contrary. You understand much more than you think what it's like to be on the outside looking in.

 

Yeah, I thought of that. But that does not get anything fixed. It is an option I am aware of if needed.

 

You really need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I've known his style since the OLive days.

He truly does not ever want to really have a constructive conversation about this. He's still blaming affirmative action for his daughter not getting into her college of choice.

He's angry.

 

>>> Well actually Grandfather did not commit the sins either. Probably, this is also the case for most of the people in this country today. Both of my grandfathers, a Grandmother and father came to this country in the last century. Father here only a short while, part of the team paying the dues in the Pacific.

Yes I do, and if you give up the hate you don't have to look in, you can do what you do best. Perhaps even create art, but the heartache of hate, must go first.

I appreciate your comments. Well done.

 

I try and encourage him dviss…..as I did my father...and lead by example. I think anger is the wrong approach to problem solving across the board...I know because I have been a very angry person in my younger days and now that I'm old...it seems pretty futile. Try to find common ground where I can. Sometimes that means using the ignore button around here so I apply it for the purpose of enjoying the place. I truly believe history does not have to repeat itself...several posters here have me on ignore and it doesn't bother me..it's better than getting angry again.

 

I’d actually love to have a real discussion with people about what is and isn’t racism, what makes someone racist. I understand sometimes it’s obvious, sometimes I see people get ‘blasted’ for it when I’m not quite sure, or I don’t see it.

Here’s the thing though... I see it as very important to treat people as well as I can. I’m white, I’m a male and while I don’t believe at all I’m responsible for what other white people now or in the past have done, I am responsible for what I do.

I am a Christian, which deservedly at times comes with a negative connotation next to it. I am not on here to tell anyone how to live, or convert people, or tell any of you, you’re wrong for the way you live. We all make choices based on our experiences in life for me it led to this.

To the point, there’s a respectful way to talk about racism and a disrespectful way. I don’t have the right to tell ANYONE how to feel, what can offend them. Minorities have had a tough fight in America (and honestly this is true in most countries), and I think as part of the ‘majority’ I have a responsibility to treat them well. This isn’t to say I need to walk on egg shells around them, it means I treat them like they’re just as valuable as I am, that their plight, their fight is important and I support them as they work there way out of it.

Just saying I want to talk about racism, but then dictate the conversation to ‘them’ like I can tell them what they’re allowed to be upset about is not a conversation, it’s crap...