Kerber... “We like Jaycee. We like his game. We were trying to get a late second to draft him,” Frank insisted. “We fought very hard to get him on our team and we feel very strongly that he's got a bright future.” If he can score 22 every night like he did Monday… “I'm trying to show them that I'm a tough player, that I'm going to hustle every play and get some loose balls. I'm going to build to be part of a team and have a role. I'm trying to show I'm a smart player and I can listen and do what they want,” said Carroll (7-of-13 floor, 8-of-9 line). ------- Sounds to me like this kid has a partial guarantee ("We fought very very hard to get him on our team"). Phoenix and Toronto also extended invitations. Not that a partial guarantee means anything. Not one player with a partial guarantee made an NBA team in either of the last two years...at least in time to be on the opening night roster. A couple went to the D-League and were later brought up. Hite had $20,000 guarantee last year...but Hite had another hurdle to get over beyond talent. The Nets were over the luxury tax threshold last October. They're around $10 million under it right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 8 2008, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hite had $20,000 guarantee last year...but Hite had another hurdle to get over beyond talent. The Nets were over the luxury tax threshold last October. They're around $10 million under it right now.</div> I think it's closer to $15mm right now. Pending Nenad, Boki and any trades. Salaries $49.4mm before rookies and free agents. Rookies are about $4mm. Total before free agents: $53.4mm. Luxury tax threshold estimate: $67.9mm.
Is there a single player the Nets didn't try to trade for a pick to draft? Another one now? Thorn should just say, the Nets wanted to field a team of 12 rookies to free up cap for James and a friend of his choice. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jul 8 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is there a single player the Nets didn't try to trade for a pick to draft? Another one now? Thorn should just say, the Nets wanted to field a team of 12 rookies to free up cap for James and a friend of his choice. -Petey</div> I dont know why it should be a surprise or suspicious. 1) the Nets have talked player development since the end of the season. 2) you should have known the Nets liked CDR and Carroll a lot from reading what the beat writers and team officials said. Dave D reported two weeks before the draft that of the 30+ players who had come to NJ at that point, CDR's workout was the best, period. If you read the comments by Polinsky after working out Carroll (reposted on NetsDaily today) you would see just how much they liked Carroll. 3) the Nets have carried four rookies twice in the last seven years: Jefferson, Collins, Armstrong and Scalabrine in 2001, and Williams, Boone, Adams and Ilic in 2006. They carried three in 2000 -- Martin, Jackson and Soumake.
we all only saw him play once so i can't say hes a good pg or a bad pg yet. It is only one game but after i watched some video he has a sg shot
Hey, I know I didn't watch the game last night, and those that did struggle thru the broadcast felt he couldn't pass and only looked for his shot... With that said, THE CAT HAD 22/7/5 in less than 20 minutes!!!!! I don't care if it's summer league. He can clearly play ball and shoot. And the 7 rebounds at 6'2"(along with 5 assists for a gut who supposedly doesn't pass the ball) is proof the guy has hustle in him. From the look at pre-draft interviews he seems very intelligent and confident. SIGN 'em UP!!!!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 8 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont know why it should be a surprise or suspicious. 1) the Nets have talked player development since the end of the season. 2) you should have known the Nets liked CDR and Carroll a lot from reading what the beat writers and team officials said. Dave D reported two weeks before the draft that of the 30+ players who had come to NJ at that point, CDR's workout was the best, period. If you read the comments by Polinsky after working out Carroll (reposted on NetsDaily today) you would see just how much they liked Carroll. 3) the Nets have carried four rookies twice in the last seven years: Jefferson, Collins, Armstrong and Scalabrine in 2001, and Williams, Boone, Adams and Ilic in 2006. They carried three in 2000 -- Martin, Jackson and Soumake.</div> Every offseason they wind up getting a player(s) that falls to them that they consider trading up for. To me it does seem fishy. -Petey
The numbers may look pretty, but I watched the entire game and I got left with an "Eh". He didnt look to pass the ball when he was assigned to run the offense as PG. And even though the shots went down, they looked forced. Not fluid at all in the game. That's just my observation from the first game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jaycee-Carroll-463/ http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/jayceecarroll.html Basically he is a hard worker with a great jump shot. Hes not that athletic and is compared to being a less athletic J.J Redick. Hes has great conditioning and has a high basketball IQ but if he doen't learn how to play the point the Nets really have no spot for him. Ager looks terrible though, I'm really disappointed in Ager. I actually hope Ager has some good games here because to me he has the body and athleticism to be a good bench player. But if Ager continues to disapoint he'll probably be cut and Carroll will have himself a spot in the locker room.
This guy was very talented in college, but his size is a problem. Success in summer league basketball doesn't mean you will do well in the NBA, but it's good to see that the nets are giving him some looks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NJNets @ Jul 8 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This guy was very talented in college, but his size is a problem. Success in summer league basketball doesn't mean you will do well in the NBA, but it's good to see that the nets are giving him some looks.</div> But at least he is lighting up the summer league.. Unlike agger.
Hey guys - long time reader of these Nets boards. I feel obligated to share my opinions of Jaycee here. If we had drafted this guy in the 2nd round (which we were very close to have done) and in his first summer league game he put up 22/7/5 leading the team in all catergories there would be several of you starting fan clubs for Jaycee!! I don't understand all the dislike. Stop thinking he's a point guard! He's not! He's a petite, high energy 2 who is an absolute assassin. Yes, it' been one game... but isn't this guy the player we had hoped Brandon Armstrong to be? I'd rather an aggressive, confident player in Jaycee instead of the passive ghost of Armstrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (netitude @ Jul 8 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey guys - long time reader of these Nets boards. I feel obligated to share my opinions of Jaycee here. If we had drafted this guy in the 2nd round (which we were very close to have done) and in his first summer league game he put up 22/7/5 leading the team in all catergories there would be several of you starting fan clubs for Jaycee!! I don't understand all the dislike. Stop thinking he's a point guard! He's not! He's a petite, high energy 2 who is an absolute assassin. Yes, it' been one game... but isn't this guy the player we had hoped Brandon Armstrong to be? I'd rather an aggressive, confident player in Jaycee instead of the passive ghost of Armstrong.</div> I'm sorry but it's summer league....He's undersized and not athletic, He'll get burned by almost every 2 guard in the league. Until he dominates someone who is actually going to be a player in the NBA thats going to be my opinion. I don't believe for one second that he would be able to make those shots he was making in the NBA. He forced them and those are not gonna drop when he has someone bigger and more athletic guarding him. And the dislike isn't because of the numbers...it's because of how he scored them, it was some sloppy....sloppy basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (netitude @ Jul 8 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey guys - long time reader of these Nets boards. I feel obligated to share my opinions of Jaycee here. If we had drafted this guy in the 2nd round (which we were very close to have done) and in his first summer league game he put up 22/7/5 leading the team in all catergories there would be several of you starting fan clubs for Jaycee!! I don't understand all the dislike. Stop thinking he's a point guard! He's not! He's a petite, high energy 2 who is an absolute assassin. Yes, it' been one game... but isn't this guy the player we had hoped Brandon Armstrong to be? I'd rather an aggressive, confident player in Jaycee instead of the passive ghost of Armstrong.</div> Exactly right Netitude. JC is an absolute assassin. He shoots a very high percentage. What I've struggled to understand in this thread is why some posters would rather have worse shooters shoot, then better shooters. JC is simply the best shooter on the floor at almost all times. He is learning to be a PG, but he's a winnner and very intelligent player - JC would be strong as a backup and in the locker room. It's as if too many fans only understand BBall from the ESPN highlights. You'd rather see VC shoot 30% on 20 very poor shots because he'll get a couple of monster dunks, then see a guy shoot 50%+ on very good shots. One final point -- JC is a tremendous athlete. He's got a 40" vertical jump, runs a low 4 minute mile, has quick hands, and simply wear out most guys in the NBA. Improving his defense will be his biggest challenge, but he's got everything else to be a successful combo guard. I believe you'll see him become a better NBA player than Reddick. Yesterday's game was no illusion.
Even though this just summer league, from what people here on the board are saying and from what I read, this guy needs to be on the team and coming off the bench as a backup SG. Forget the combo guard stuff. Clearly Thorn wants another vet PG. If we dont trade M. will, this guy could be a cheap option SG off the bench ala House, like someone said earlier. CDR will be the first SG/SF off the bench. Then this guy should be the third. Last time Thorn wanted to 2nd round pick in the draft, they were targeting Ellis. Dont sleep on ROD. This could be another steal.
Welcome netitude and USUBlue to S2. USUBlue, I'm assuming you are a Utah State fan and watch all of his career. How much did he progress over it? How different was he as a senior than as a freshman?
im not going to fall in love with a guy because of 1 summer league performance. we see it every year, some undrafted know name looks good and everyone oohs and ahhs... then the guy ends up as the 12th man on a d-league team. im much more interested with how the guys who will make the team look, specifically on defense and in loose ball situations.
Hes an interesting player and maybe its worth to take a chance on him. The Nets never really had 3 point shooters who can hit every open shot like this guy can. His upside is an Daniel Gibson and his downside is an euroleaguer. He probably has the most upside as any of the guys the Nets brought in. I wanted Hodge to make the team but Hodge reminds me of a Linton Johnson, a guy who is an athletic defender who has absolutely no offense. Carroll is an interesting player for the Nets but every good team needs a 3 point shooter and the Nets never really had one. The thing with shooters they get hot and cold but Thorn said if was looking to get an extra second round pick for this guy so it looks like hes here to stay.
You're all missing the point...the Nets like him...repeat the Nets like him. 1) they were trying to trade to get him, and based on what Polinsky, the chief scout said of him after his workout, I believe them. 2) they think his athleticism is underrated. They said that too and yet people here are willing to believe Jonathan Givony and Aran Smith over the chief scout of the Nets. (That assessment was reposted today on NetsDaily.) Hello. 3) it appears to me that he has a partial guarantee. The Nets were one of three teams that pursued him after he went undrafted...the others being Phoenix and Toronto. Frank said the Nets "worked very hard to get him on our team". What does that tell you? It tells me they did something to get an advantage...and it wasn't making Mormonism the official team religion (although I would not put that past Yormark). 4) He started over Will Conroy and Yuta Tabuse, both with D-league experience. Conroy averaged 10 ppg last year. Carroll played 19 minutes, more than the other two. 5) Frank said. "We like Jaycee". I dont know what else you need to make the assessment that the Nets wanted him.
