<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Redd isnt a guy you build around. He is a stat guy whose stats are better then the player he actually is. You build around superstars not one-dimensional players.</div> Says the Ben Gordon fan. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 12 2007, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So I know you were wasted...but whatever... The reason why Dirk doesn't play C is because he doesn't have much of big man defense and frankly hes always had a solid center next to him most of his career. When/If Yi gets bigger, and he shows he has shotblocking ability, I think he will be able to play the 5 spot. Not full time...but a good 10 or so minutes a game..I think hes capable...eventually.</div> You just said yourself that Dirk isn't able to play the 5, then why will Yi? Yi is even weaker than Dirk when he first came out, and his defense is worse as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Redd isnt a guy you build around. He is a stat guy whose stats are better then the player he actually is. You build around superstars not one-dimensional players.</div>Yeah, and he kills the Pistons in the playoffs. Redd is way underrated
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 12 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Says the Ben Gordon fan.You just said yourself that Dirk isn't able to play the 5, then why will Yi? Yi is even weaker than Dirk when he first came out, and his defense is worse as well.</div>First off I never said to build a team around ben gordon either and ben gordon isnt a one-dimensional player. He isnt a half bad defender unlike redd.That dirk thing came from out of nowhere and is not relevent to this thread but I'll answer it. 7 footers almost always develop into centers, When Tyson Chandler came into the NBA he was no stronger then Yi is now yet he still became a center. Dirk has always been entirely a perimeter player who was tall enough to be a pf. Yi unlike Dirk has developed post moves and has a wide-arry of offensive skills besides a jumper. Also you should take into account, Yi weighs more then tyson chandler does. While Yi may not be a C from the get-go by his third or fourth year I expect him to play significant minutes as a center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off I never said to build a team around ben gordon either and ben gordon isnt a one-dimensional player. He isnt a half bad defender unlike redd.That dirk thing came from out of nowhere and is not relevent to this thread but I'll answer it. 7 footers almost always develop into centers, When Tyson Chandler came into the NBA he was no stronger then Yi is now yet he still became a center. Dirk has always been entirely a perimeter player who was tall enough to be a pf. Yi unlike Dirk has developed post moves and has a wide-arry of offensive skills. Also you should take into account, Yi weighs more then tyson chandler does. While Yi may not be a C from the get-go by his third or fourth year I expect him to play significant minutes as a center.</div>And Tyson Chandler is much taller, has much longer arms, and is much more athletic
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Tyson Chandler is much taller, has much longer arms, and is much more athletic</div>Yi is the same height, has similar reach if not more, and is just as athletic if not moreso. your point is?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 12 2007, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You just said yourself that Dirk isn't able to play the 5, then why will Yi? Yi is even weaker than Dirk when he first came out, and his defense is worse as well.</div>Not from the get-go can he play C....what im saying is with developement, strength and learnage of some good defense, Yi can be slid into the C position every once in a while. Im not trying to argue he can play C now because he cant. Yi can become a better defender than Dirk...we just have to wait and see if he can improve signifitcantly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi is the same height, has similar reach if not more, and is just as athletic if not moreso. your point is?</div>haha. I;m sure 99% of the board will agree with me on this, maybe not on much else, but on this - yes. Tyson Chandler has always had longer arms, always had more height (Yi's height is most likely lied about by his Chinese agents just like his age) and Tyson Chandler is much more of a natural defender and shot blocker.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>haha. I;m sure 99% of the board will agree with me on this, maybe not on much else, but on this - yes. Tyson Chandler has always had longer arms, always had more height (Yi's height is most likely lied about by his Chinese agents just like his age) and Tyson Chandler is much more of a natural defender and shot blocker.</div>While Tyson Chandler is a better defender and shot blocker(I never said he wasnt) Height and wingspan are about the same. Also being a better defender has nothing to do with being a center. Mehmet Okur only weights 20 more pounds then yi and cant guard wang zhizhi if his life depended on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Redd isnt a guy you build around. He is a stat guy whose stats are better then the player he actually is. You build around superstars not one-dimensional players.</div> Milwaukee doesn't have the luxury to build around superstars. Michael Redd isn't a statsitics guy, he just has not had the team around him to succeed. His statistics only show you what he is, a dominant scorer/shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 12 2007, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Milwaukee doesn't have the luxury to build around superstars. Michael Redd isn't a statsitics guy, he just has not had the team around him to succeed.</div>I believe if Milwaukee packaged michael redd +yi they could get some kind of superstar like brand.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 12 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Brand going to win them more games then Redd did?</div>nope
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 12 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Brand going to win them more games then Redd did?:g: :no1:</div>It's much easier to build around Brand then it is to build around redd. And with bogut improving you would have an awesome frontcourt already solidified, also within a few years they could be looking at a much better team if they drafted well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's much easier to build around Brand then it is to build around redd. And with bogut improving you would have an awesome frontcourt already solidified, also within a few years they could be looking at a much better team if they drafted well.</div>But is Bogut gonna improve?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But is Bogut gonna improve? </div>Of courseHe was already basically NBA ready when he came into the nba and other then injuries hes shown solid progression. He will be a good center in the nba.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of courseHe was already basically NBA ready when he came into the nba and other then injuries hes shown solid progression. He will be a good center in the nba.</div>BCB, you're cue :winkglasses:
Alright..So your going to have Ramon Sessions and Lynn Greer at the two guard spots, then Charlie Villanueva at the SF position?.. Thats sorry. Atleast with Yi and Redd you had a lineup that could compete.. If you did that trade your team would be on its way to hell and you would have NO depth at any of the wing positions. Elton Brand and Andrew Bogut aren't going to win you a whole bunch of games by themselves..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's much easier to build around Brand then it is to build around redd. And with bogut improving you would have an awesome frontcourt already solidified, also within a few years they could be looking at a much better team if they drafted well.</div> Elton Brand is a FA after next season. Forget this whole idea.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 12 2007, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alright..So your going to have Ramon Sessions and Lynn Greer at the two guard spots, then Charlie Villanueva at the SF position?.. Thats sorry. Atleast with Yi and Redd you had a lineup that could compete.. If you did that trade your team would be on its way to hell and you would have NO depth at any of the wing positions. Elton Brand and Andrew Bogut aren't going to win you a whole bunch of games by themselves..</div>What about Earl Boykins? he had a pretty good season last year and free agency can get them a sg.(worst case scenario they can pickup sprewell and see how he does in a 1-year deal )They already have no depth and in that deal at least they get a superstar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off I never said to build a team around ben gordon either and ben gordon isnt a one-dimensional player. He isnt a half bad defender unlike redd. That dirk thing came from out of nowhere and is not relevent to this thread but I'll answer it. 7 footers almost always develop into centers, When Tyson Chandler came into the NBA he was no stronger then Yi is now yet he still became a center. Dirk has always been entirely a perimeter player who was tall enough to be a pf. Yi unlike Dirk has developed post moves and has a wide-arry of offensive skills besides a jumper. Also you should take into account, Yi weighs more then tyson chandler does. While Yi may not be a C from the get-go by his third or fourth year I expect him to play significant minutes as a center.</div> The Dirk comment isn't relevant? Read the post I quoted. That Tyson Chandler "example" is a bad one, because you are referring right back to my point in another thread we talked about this... everybody is different. Everybody has a different skill set and everybody has a different mindset. Yi and Tyson Chandler are actually 100% opposites. Yi is a perimeter oriented finesse 7 footer who can't guard stationary objects, lacks mental toughness, and is very weak on the interior on both ends of the floor. Chandler was a defensive specialist from the get-go, and doesn't have much of an offensive game at all (the reason he raised his scoring average this year is because he has a serious playmaker running the point and he picked up extra easy buckets). So if you are going to try and say "but you said Yi can't play center because he's not strong enough." That's wrong, because that was only half of my answer. The other half was his skill set and the way he plays he game. He's not an interior player and never will be. Tyson Chandler was from the start, and that is a giant difference. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 12 2007, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not from the get-go can he play C....what im saying is with developement, strength and learnage of some good defense, Yi can be slid into the C position every once in a while. Im not trying to argue he can play C now because he cant. Yi can become a better defender than Dirk...we just have to wait and see if he can improve signifitcantly.</div> First of all, I like the new word you've invented - learnage. But I never said Yi will never be used at the 5 spot. He obviously will be used there at some point, for some amount of time, but the point is that unless he's in a Warriors/Suns style offense, he will never be able to be anything close to a full-time center. Ten to fifteen minutes per game at the 5? Sure, but Yi will never be one of those Amare, Jefferson, or Howard type of players that are basically just as effective at the 5 as they are at the 4. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>While Tyson Chandler is a better defender and shot blocker(I never said he wasnt) Height and wingspan are about the same. Also being a better defender has nothing to do with being a center. Mehmet Okur only weights 20 more pounds then yi and cant guard wang zhizhi if his life depended on it.</div> Yeah, and Yi couldn't guard Wang ZhiZhi's mother if his life depended on it. Regardless, Okur is an excellent team defender and an above average weak-side defender. Yi doesn't even have the proper understanding of the game to be a decent team defender at this point, and he will always get abused inside whether he adds 20 lbs. of muscle or not. He's naturally soft.
