I think the Rockets will knock us from the 8 seed with that deal.

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  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    What part of that trade would have helped us? 5 more bench players? I thought we wanted to consolidate. Kevin martin is a good player, but he still would sit behind Roy.
     
  2. The_Lillard_King

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    Completely different situation at last years trade deadline. No way one can predict that the Blazers could have made a similar deal last year.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

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    I don't think Sactown would have even thought about trading Kevin Martin last year for pretty much salary relief. Also how do you know that KP didn't make an offer like that?

    Looking at trades that have gone done these last few days and say that we could have made those same trades last year kind of kills that "I'm a realist" thing don't ya think?
     
  4. Mediocre Man

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    Keep drinking that kool aid. What flavor is it today?
     
  5. andalusian

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    Stop using logic. The moratorium on making happy posts 1 day after a trade is clearly over and the forum members are bellyaching for no reason per usual.
     
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    We had offers from teams for Raef.

    Carter and 2 #1's is the offer that has not been confirmed as more than a rumor by different newspapers. Absolutely horrible we didn't take that
     
  7. The_Lillard_King

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    The flavor is logic. I'm guessing you don't know what that taste like. I'll try to describe it:

    When making trades, a lot of factor are considered, a huge factor is money. The financial situation of the NBA is much different from last year. The free agency situation is much different this summer. The Kings didn't have Evans last year. T-mac wasn't available last trade deadline and still had another year left on his huge contract. And so many othre factual differences from last year, I don't know where to stop.

    So I know it sounds like "hey, we could have made this deal last year" . . . but that is more about drinking kool aid and believeing what you want rather than actually looking at it factually.

    To be blunt . . . that is just stupid thinking.
     
  8. Mediocre Man

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    I said a similar deal, not this deal.


    Raef Lafentz had been called the greatest trade chip in history by KP on more than one occasion last year. Instead of using it, we sat and did nothing. Instead of using Blake and Outlaw's brilliantly constructed contracts, we sat and did nothing.
     
  9. donkiez

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    The flavor is logic and it was made by Tyreke Evens. Evans rise made Martin expendable THIS year, last year Martin was basicly untouchable.

    It sure is easy to be a realist from your couch looking in your rearview mirror isnt it?
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Evans' rise this year is similar to Rose's or Love's last year. By your logic, shouldn't Hinrich and/or Jefferson have been similarly available last year? Wouldn't either of them have been of value to us?
     
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    Actually, Portland did use it. Portland used it the same way a team trading for it would have attempted to use it: let it expire and use the cap space to sign a good free agent.

    It sounds more like you're angry at being fooled by Pritchard's sales pitch. If you really believed that RLEC was "the greatest trading chip in history," then I can see why you're still bitter.
     
  12. andalusian

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    If we have seen anything from this year's performance of Hinrich/Jefferson - it is that we are lucky KP did not trade for them. Both fell off the wagon as far as production is concerned.

    Maybe, just maybe, KP meant it when he said that the best trades he had were the ones he did not make...

    I was a big proponent of Hinrich - especially for his defensive ability - but he has regressed even more offensively this year. R-Jeff is an even bigger drop - we all wondered if he had anything he could contribute if he was a 3rd or 4th option - and what he has done for the Spurs proves that the answer is - very little.
     
  13. PtldPlatypus

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    But how much of their regression has been due to a reduced role resulting from the emergence and increased prominence of Rose/Love? Who knows how Hinrich/Jefferson would be playing if they were playing in a different situation.
     
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    I agree with some of that. KP had some assets at the trade deadline last year and didn't use it. Instead he decided to use it in the free agent market which was sort of a mess this last summer.

    But look at the difference in trade activity this year and last year . . . I don't think one can assume that expiring contracts had the lure they do this year or that as many opportunities existed last year.

    But I realize now I am the one speculating . . . basing it on the differnce in trading activity from last year to this year. :dunno: I can't remember when was the last timethere was this much activity at the trade deadline. There must have been another year like this, but I think of trade deadlines as being known for being anti-climatic where a couple of minor trades take place.
     
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    I love how people gloss over the fact that we got our starting PG for RLEC.
     
  16. donkiez

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    if's and whats.... what IF they came here and sucked even harder?

    As a NBA GM or coach you can't make everyone happy, and there are some people who are happy being unhappy. I got a huge kick out of reading the San Antonio forum after we beat them, they had fans calling for Pop's head and making every complaint about him that I've read about Nate.

    You got to take things as they are, and all things considered i think our team has done a good job so far this season.
     
  17. andalusian

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    Hinrich played with Rose last year (and Rose was better most of last year, it took Rose a long while to get to last year's level of performance this year).

    You are talking about the wrong Jefferson. Al Jefferson was not for sale last year, Richard Jefferson was - and luckily KP did not get him - because he proved, when moving to a new environment where his role would be the same as it is on the Blazers (3rd or 4th option) that he is just bad.

    In other words, I think KP's analysis was spot on on these guys - and he was smart not to trade for them. I am far from Miller's biggest fan - but he is a much better option than either R-Jeff or Hinrich.

    We still do not know if Hinrich would have thrived in another environment - where he is playing as a super-deluxe Steve Blake next to Roy - this might have worked - but it is just speculation. KP did not trade for him, and so far, this year, Hinrich regressed.
     
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    Acid Flavored. And for some reason, all I can see is a kaleidoscope of colors!:pimp:
     
  19. DaRizzle

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    Mixum....where were all your posts right after the Camby trade?!? I saw nothing! I know you have the creativity to figure out a way to be pissed at that trade. Dont K-Puss out cause it got a lil harder to talk trash!
     
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    i liked the camby trade! however i still feel the same about kpee. he still needs to cut the cord from half the players. aka rudy, bayless, etc and bring back a major player like an iggy.

    but he got us what we needed in camby. next year the west will be beyond brutal. his little culture speeches wont cut it.
     

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