I always thought T-Macs beef with the management started when we traded his best friend Mike Miller to the Grizzlies. Jerry West robbed us so bad in that deal now that I think of it. We traded away team chemistry and future picks(1st and 2nd rounders) for Gooden and Giricek.
<div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah honestly, what do you expect him to do? He's not going to play much longer. It would be a waste for him to stay in Orlando because they aren't going to contend. Does this writer expect him to go sign with the Hawks or Pacers?</div> It's the principal of the matter. He left when giving us nothing really in return. Also from what I understand, he wasn't as much of a locker room presence as many of the media put him out to be. He was a loner. Not that I care about it. It's understandable that he left to contend, don't get me wrong. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">Plus, he's going to Phoenix, where he is going to have a chance to play. His role will be limited in comparison to here in Orlando, but that's the way it should be as a team shouldn't rely on a player with an injury past like Hill's. He also will have a chance to start, because Diaw had trouble being effective this year as Amare dominated the ball down low most of the time. His competition would be Kurt Thomas. Even if he isn't the 6th man, he's the second swing off the bench and he'll be contributing too.</div> I do hope you know he was a starter for us. If anything his role in Phoenix will be limited in comparison to Orlando.
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's the principal of the matter. He left when giving us nothing really in return. Also from what I understand, he wasn't as much of a locker room presence as many of the media put him out to be. He was a loner. Not that I care about it. It's understandable that he left to contend, don't get me wrong. </div> Yeah but what would be the purpose of him returning? So he can continue to give Orlando his meaningless 15 points per game? Because 1) They aren't going anywhere this year 2) You saying that he wasn't much of a locker room presence and that he was a "loner" is more of a reason for the Magic not to want him back and for him to leave <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I do hope you know he was a starter for us. If anything his role in Phoenix will be limited in comparison to Orlando.</div> ....Did I just not say that? Can you not comprehend what I just said? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">Plus, he's going to Phoenix, where he is going to have a chance to play. His role will be limited in comparison to here in Orlando</div>
This writer is crazy Grant Hill must of never gave him his autograph when he asked for it... Seriously though I don't think Grant Hill "Owes" the magic another season, yeh he's a great guy and leads by example but look what he went through he had multiple opportunities to hang it up when he was in the recovering process but stuck at it. I think this was the best move for him and the franchise.
<div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but what would be the purpose of him returning? So he can continue to give Orlando his meaningless 15 points per game? Because 1) They aren't going anywhere this year</div> Erhm. That's entirely speculation, bro. We are about to sign Lewis, and the FA period isn't over. Add on that we finally have a decent coach and the East is always open. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post"> 2) You saying that he wasn't much of a locker room presence and that he was a "loner" is more of a reason for the Magic not to want him back and for him to leave</div> Like I said, regardless of the person he was, or wasn't in this case, in the locker room, what matters is the principal of the situation. We sacrificed a lot to get him, he got a lot out of us(in terms of his pay check), he sits out numerous seasons, and then he just drops everything after his contract is up to leave. Like I said above, I could've cared less if he decided to return or leave, but the base situation still remains the same. He came, he sat around, he left, even after being known as a stand-up, cool type of guy. It leaves a kind of sour taste in your mouth if you were a Magic fan. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">....Did I just not say that? Can you not comprehend what I just said?</div> No need to have such a hostile reply. What you said didn't make much sense if you want to look into it, so I didn't know what you were hinting at. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">Plus, he's going to Phoenix, where he is going to have a chance to play.</div> What does this mean? He's going to have a chance to play? Then you go on to say: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">He also will have a chance to start, because Diaw had trouble being effective this year as Amare dominated the ball down low most of the time. His competition would be Kurt Thomas. Even if he isn't the 6th man, he's the second swing off the bench and he'll be contributing too.</div> Which makes it seem like Grant didn't even get to start for the Magic. You also make it seem like he didn't contribute when he played. This also leads me to believe that you are hinting at him being more of a factor in Phoenix than Orlando, which isn't the case. Like I said, he'll be extremely limited in his role on the Suns. He probably won't start, at most being a bench player(doubtful he'll be a sixth man, Barbosa got that locked).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Erhm. That's entirely speculation, bro. We are about to sign Lewis, and the FA period isn't over. Add on that we finally have a decent coach and the East is always open.</div>lol ok, whatever makes you feel better about the Magic. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Like I said, regardless of the person he was, or wasn't in this case, in the locker room, what matters is the principal of the situation. We sacrificed a lot to get him, he got a lot out of us(in terms of his pay check), he sits out numerous seasons, and then he just drops everything after his contract is up to leave. Like I said above, I could've cared less if he decided to return or leave, but the base situation still remains the same. He came, he sat around, he left, even after being known as a stand-up, cool type of guy. It leaves a kind of sour taste in your mouth if you were a Magic fan. </div>I get where you're coming from but he's not obliged to come and re-sign with the Magic. He wants to move on his with career. If you don't care, then it shouldn't be an issue anyways. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> No need to have such a hostile reply. What you said didn't make much sense if you want to look into it, so I didn't know what you were hinting at.</div>What? What didn't make sense? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> What does this mean? He's going to have a chance to play? Then you go on to say:</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Which makes it seem like Grant didn't even get to start for the Magic. You also make it seem like he didn't contribute when he played.</div>You are misunderstanding me. This all means that he isn't just going to Phoenix for the free ride. He'll be a contributing player to a contender. He'll have a role. He isn't going to just sit around like Jalen Rose did. So in all, it's more of a fit for him, and more reason for him to find a new team to play with in Phoenix.
<div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol ok, whatever makes you feel better about the Magic.</div> Don't see what makes you so pessimistic about the Magic. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">I get where you're coming from but he's not obliged to come and re-sign with the Magic. He wants to move on his with career. If you don't care, then it shouldn't be an issue anyways.</div> I never said he should be obliged, and like I've said a couple times above, it isn't that much of an issue to me. I'm merely explaining that point of view to you. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">You are misunderstanding me. This all means that he isn't just going to Phoenix for the free ride. He'll be a contributing player to a contender. He'll have a role. He isn't going to just sit around like Jalen Rose did. So in all, it's more of a fit for him, and more reason for him to find a new team to play with in Phoenix.</div> I don't know. I think Hill will see limited time in Phoenix. Maybe not as underused as Jalen Rose, but still pretty backed up. We'll just have to see. It's entirely speculation at this point. Either way, Grant Hill jumped on a bandwagon for a free ride.
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't know. I think Hill will see limited time in Phoenix. Maybe not as underused as Jalen Rose, but still pretty backed up. We'll just have to see. It's entirely speculation at this point. Either way, Grant Hill jumped on a bandwagon for a free ride.</div> Honestly...what would you do then if you were in his position? Goto the LA Lakers and lose in the first round then retire? Goto the Knicks? Goto the Hawks? This man does not have years to wait around and watch a team he joins develop. He is obviously on the decline and close to retirement. What is going to a non-contending team going to accomplish? Plus as I mentioned before, he won't be getting a free ride, because he'll be a contributing player to the team. But it seems like you differ with that opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">P.A.P. Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly...what would you do then if you were in his position? Goto the LA Lakers and lose in the first round then retire? Goto the Knicks? Goto the Hawks? This man does not have years to wait around and watch a team he joins develop. He is obviously on the decline and close to retirement. What is going to a non-contending team going to accomplish? Plus as I mentioned before, he won't be getting a free ride, because he'll be a contributing player to the team. But it seems like you differ with that opinion.</div> I'm not disagreeing with you. Heh. He made a smart move in going to a contending team, but either way you look at it, he jumped on a free ride. He'll probably contribute, not much imo, but he won't need to put nearly as much effort if he was on, say, the Magic. Thus, it's a free ride.
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not disagreeing with you. Heh. He made a smart move in going to a contending team, but either way you look at it, he jumped on a free ride. He'll probably contribute, not much imo, but he won't need to put nearly as much effort if he was on, say, the Magic. Thus, it's a free ride. </div> I could never see the joy in winning a championship as a non-factor or as a 9th on the depth chart type of guy. That would dilute his ring (if he gets one) but whatever. When one is a role player, rings really don't mean anything, Hill should have just stayed in Orlando I guess.
I think Grant will play a bigger role than alot of you guys think that was one of his big thing he was saying before he signed I said he wanted a big role and didn't just want to win a ring as a role player. I don't think he would have signed if he didn't beleive he would get big minutes. Besides Grant is so versatile he can play the 1-3 spots I don't think finding miniutes for him will be as hard as you think
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I could never see the joy in winning a championship as a non-factor or as a 9th on the depth chart type of guy. That would dilute his ring (if he gets one) but whatever. When one is a role player, rings really don't mean anything, Hill should have just stayed in Orlando I guess.</div> I agree with you that being a role player wouldn't be as great as being a star and winning a championship but then again I'm sure you those role players who helped push their team to the ring will tell you differently.
If Grant Hill would've stayed, it would have given us another solid player who can avg. 15 a gm and play SG for us.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If Grant Hill would've stayed, it would have given us another solid player who can avg. 15 a gm and play SG for us.</div> I think we will miss Grant's Defense the most considering we will likely be replacing him with JJ. I think we can get 15 from JJ but he's definately not the defender Grant was.
Hill is no different then any other NBA player. Everyone in Detroit expected him to come back, but he chose the money. Now that he's in late stages of his career and made his money he wants to win. that being said that was a pretty D head move on his part.
<div class="quote_poster">Cdub100 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hill is no different then any other NBA player. Everyone in Detroit expected him to come back, but he chose the money. Now that he's in late stages of his career and made his money he wants to win. that being said that was a pretty D head move on his part.</div> actually he came to Orlando to pair with either Tim Duncan (didn't happen) or Tracy Mcgrady (did happen but didn't really cause of all Hill's surgeries) to try to contend for a Championship. It had nothing to do with money as Detroit would have gave him the same amount if he were to stay there. He has really always been about winning. It's really easy for you to sit there and say that it was a dick head move but honestly what would you do? He only has a couple more seasons left and we all know that Orlando isn't ready to contend. Honestly why would he stay and don't say he owes us becuase he doesn't. What does he have to owe us for? Orlando begged this guy to sign a max deal and he did mabe we should have looked at his ankle a little bit closer. Before his injuries he was supposed to be the next MJ just look at his numbers before he signed here. Every team in the league wanted to sign him so if anything we should thank him for coming here and trying to make our team a contender, it's really not his fault he got injured. I'm tired of people saying he owes Orlando because he got payed and didn't play much. Besides with Rashard,Hedo,JJ and Arizahe wasn't going to get the playing time anyways and if he did our young guys wouldn't develop like they should anyways.
