If CJ were to be traded, who are we most likely to get?

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    Oh, I agree, but then again I thought he’d be gone now
     
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    Brilliant
     
  3. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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    Siakam had a "down year" - lower PER than CJ.
     
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    generally though his career numbers are slightly better than CJ's. But Siakam is discovering what Dame already knows: that being it's a lot harder path when defenses know you're the number 1 option on your team. All things being close to equal, a 6'9 wing will have a lot more value than a 6'3 SG
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Siakam plays defense. If CJ played even league average defense his value would be a lot higher.
     
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    I think you're right when people start having these trade ideas where CJ goes to some team (like Toronto) that really wouldn't have any interest in him. I think there are teams that would like CJ a lot. I think the Sixers are one and the Knick are another. If Toronto still sees Siakam as their guy, of course we're not getting him but if he is someone they see as a way to prospects and picks then CJ to the Knicks in a three way with Toronto for Siakam is very close. We might need to add a future first.

    I think you find the teams that value CJ and then either get the best you can that fits with Dame from them or find a third team with what we need.
     
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    Norman Dale Hickory Huskers Coach

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    Since Cleveland has been mentioned in some CJ trade talk:
    CJ and DJJ for Love and Sexton
     
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    Cleveland has two up and coming small guards who get paid a lot less than CJ; why trade one of them for CJ?
     
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    I think our most valuable tradeable asset (besides Lillard) is Little and he would need to be added in a CJ trade to get somebody good back.
     
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    I really wonder how much CJ's value was impacted by the playoffs this year. Maybe a little

    but I don't believe CJ is a mystery to the rest of the NBA. They know who he is as a player since he's been the same player for 6 years. Same strengths, same weaknesses, same one-way qualities, good and bad. I don't think the rest of the NBA values him nearly as highly as he's valued in various places in Blazer nation

    opposing coaches certainly don't seem to worry about him. He always draws the weaker defenders and single coverage. I've never seen a team flex their defense toward CJ like defenses are flexed toward Dame. I'd guess NBA front offices would take cues from their coaching staffs


    a 33M/year player as a 6th man? Would be pretty unprecedented...?

    it's going to be a conundrum because I'm about 83% convinced no new coach would consider Powell as the full-time starter at SF. Of course, it may be the new coach won't have that option
     
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    from what I've read it sounds like Sexton's teammates are really fed up with his selfishness. He's a mini-MeJ on crank
     
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    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    Toronto traded a package involving their 1A/1B player in DeRozan for Leonard. I think that's the kind of deal they would be willing to make involving Siakam but not for a borderline all-star like McCollum. McCollum is the kind of player you add to a team in the last year of his contract, not gut a team to get.

    Pascal is 27 but only started playing basketball when he was 18. In terms of his development and wear-and-tear on his body, he's more like a second-year NBA player. OG Anunoby and GTJ are also both in their early 20s. The only guy in the core that's in his prime is FVV at 27. This is not a team in search of youth.
     
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    CJ is essentially Jamal Crawford peaking in an era that's better optimized for Jamal Crawford-type skills.

    Crawford has played on 9 different teams now. It's kind of crazy that CJ is still on his first team at this point.
     
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    It's pretty hard to read what they are doing in Toronto. Have you seen anything from management that would clear it up?
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Because the league recognized that Crawford was a bench guy. A spark off the bench. Our team has been stubborn as hell in admitting that CJ shouldn't be a starting two guard.
     
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    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    You're correct it's very unclear right now. There are two major uncontrollable factors--Masai Ujiri's status and the draft lottery.

    Ujiri leaving for other pursuits would put GM Bobby Webster in charge of the team. I think he generally has the same vision and approach as Ujiri but whether there are differences of opinion on the roster makeup is unknowable. The team core is still pretty young so blowing it up makes little sense unless they looked at the roster they created and said 'this isn't ever going to work' which is hard to say with rings on their fingers already.

    Lowry sign-and-trades seem more likely than him staying for more than one year. There would be several teams wanting him (Heat, Sixers, and Lakers still most likely). You normally get fuck all back in a S&T but this would impact the roster makeup if you got a young player at guard who needs minutes (Herro, Maxey, THT, etc.)

    GTJ re-signing is uncertain. I've seen valuations of him in the 4/$90MM range which is painful for someone who hasn't shown a great deal of consistency. Toronto really needs a second scorer next to Siakam (hey wonder why...oh right you took Powell) so the odds of overpaying him to stay seem to be good. Winning a top pick in the lottery may or may not affect his chances of re-signing. Cunningham needs to play right away. I am less certain about the other top guards in the draft. We have room for forwards and bigs.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    That is ridiculous and a massive overpay. Who is giving him that bag?
     
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    Idk if it’s been posted here, too lazy to browse, but Jabari Young, who covers San Antonio, said the spurs like CJ. He also mentioned Miami and the Clippers (for George)

    I still think a Ben Simmons/CJ trade makes the most sense, for both teams.
     
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    I hope it's way higher than reality. Davis Bertans just signed 5/$80MM. Powell will likely get that kind of deal. GTJ is younger than both of them... I'd be comfortable with a Malik Beasley level deal (4/$60MM) but I've seen a lot of fans saying that's way too low. Is GTJ worth $5MM more per year than Beasley... or more?
     

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