If Crabbe gets a max offer - do you match?

I'm also all about never losing an asset for nothing. Crabbe will have trade value in a year or two if he continues to improve. Same reason i'd match a relatively big offer for Leonard, unique skill set that is wanted around the league and is young and has the "potential" tag still on him so you can definitely find a trade partner down the road.

 

In a more normal year when salaries are adjusted out for the higher cap, I think he gets somewhere in the $10-14M range. In this year with salaries not caught up to the cap and with so many teams having a ton of money to spend, he is likely to get an offer higher than what a bench/role player would typically get.

For as much as I like him, you still have to have some salary cap balance for down the road. Going into the 2017-2018 season, Portland's salaries could look something like this and I'm just throwing out an average of $13 million for Crabbe, Leonard and Harkless ... who knows what they get? I'll also throw in Whiteside just for an example of what a FA would do to our cap going forward.

Lillard ------ $26M
McCollum - $22M
Whiteside---$22M
Crabbe-------$13M
Leonard------$13M
Harkless------$13M
Aminu -------$7.3M
Davis----------$6.3M
Vonleh--------$3.5M
Connaughton$1.1M
Montero -----$1.1M
Player W------$1.1M
Player X-------$1.1M
Player Y-------$1.1M
Player Z-------$1.1M
______________

Total--------$132,700,000

That is with only one FA signed this season and letting Kaman, Henderson and Roberts leave with 4 guys at very low salaries taking their place. That puts them WAY over the salary cap and they've really only signed one player....Whiteside. That is why I don't think you can give Crabbe that much money or if you do, you have to let Harkless or Leonard go. I don't see how you keep all 3 going forward.

 

I loved what I saw from Harkless but yes he is streaky as hell.

 

So you're essentially asking if I'd match 21m/yr for Crabbe...?

Haha, no.

Actually on second thought - fuck no.

 

Man.... I'm still on the "trade CJ" band wagon (for the right price.)

Those numbers from 82games.com really cement my resolve. I think Crabbe can be a very solid starting shooting guard.

 

I would consider it as well because while Dame/CJ are a very good offensive backcourt, they are so out of balance because defensively they can give up even more than they score. If Crabbe could step in to be a starter and give you 17-18 points will getting more rebounds and playing better defense, I think you have to look at that. Now you'll need another play-maker because CJ is one of the few that can take that pressure off of Dame. Montero has the skills but not the experience and Aminu is still an adventure almost every time he puts the ball on the floor.

Getting a nice (bigger) combo guard to come off the bench behind Dame/Crabbe is your could get something like Okafor+ for CJ might be a heck of a deal. CJ is worth a lot because he is a 20 ppg scorer on a minuscule contract for another year and then possibly team control for even another year after that.

Portland's back court needs to play defense. Curry/Thompson, Westbrook/Olidipo, even Wiggins/Dunn/Rubio all can score and all are much better defensively than Dame/CJ. 2 of those 3 are exactly who you will have to go through to make more than a small dent in the playoffs.

 

Hell no

 

It sucks because I would LOVE to get Jimmy Butler for CJ, but that negates the advantage of having Crabbe, unless you're playing Butler at the three. Hmmm actually.....

CJ/Davis/Aminu to Chicago for Butler and Mirotic.

Max money to Whiteside or Howard.

Dame
Crabbe
Butler
Mirotic
Whiteside

That's a significantly improved defensive unit, with more offensive firepower at the small forward and center spot.

 

Crabbes an okay rotation player, I just don't get all the "love" he seems to get

 

3&D guys are very valuable in the current market. They play right into the moneyball metrics.

 

I can't wait to see which team rebels against all this new money and says fuck it and goes moneyball.

 

I'd say Rich Cho is that guy

 

Absolutely not. I think he's an overrated defender by a lot of people on here and I don't think he'll get much better on offense. I'd love to keep him for a decent price, but definitely not a max contract.

 

i think neils signings since coming here point to him, if we discount rejected offers.

 

I don't know, a part of me thinks this is like giving Harrison Barnes the max and we could use Barnes more.

 

Definitely not, anything over $10M and we should think twice. His max is over $20M, right? Nobody should offer that but with so many teams having cap space you never know. Portland should definitely not offer him that though.

I like him. He's a good shooter and good to have as rotation player but you are talking star level salary here and he isn't star level at all.

This is my worry about this Summer. Too many teams having money and few players available.

 

This was inevitable when they raised the cap. When everyone has money, the players get paid more. It's like the housing market in Portland right now. There's no inventory, so when a house goes up for sale, there's 15+ people bidding against each other. People tend to get 10-15k above their asking (at least).

 

I don't think you are alone on that opinion. It seems inevitable that fans will get pissed in the next couple of years over the increase in contracts for average players. Unfortunately we will take it out on the players, and quite frankly it won't be their fault.

As TV deals go up, ticket prices should go down before contracts go up. But it never works that way. The one constant is the owners keep getting richer.