If Crabbe gets a max offer - do you match?

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Would you match a max offer for Allen Crabbe?

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  1. craigehlo

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    Crabbe doesn't get anywhere near the max. The articles from other team beat writers mention him as a value option for shooting. Nobody is targeting him big dollars as of yet. He'll get a $12 mil per year offer from a desperate team looking to sign any talent, which the Blazer will match.
     
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    I don't see him getting more than 10-11 millions. Which is already some good money. But at this price I fully except the Blazers to retain his rights.

    Remember when we where about to make an offer to Hibbert. He was on his way to PDX to sign the offer sheet and Indiana promise him to give him what the Blazers were to offer him. Could see this scenario for us as well.
     
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  3. Natebishop3

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    I think some of you are going to be surprised. I think 13-14 a year is going to get offered.
     
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    Max offer for Crabbe? :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
     
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    Again, I firmly believe he will get 15M+
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Apparently Woj said Crabbe would get offers around $12-$15M and would be matched.
     
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    This topic got a lot of talk on RipCityMornings today. Talking about the notion of paying Crabbe 15-17M, and both guys saying they wouldn't go over 12M, said he's the least important of our 3 RFA's, and said he's completely replaceable.

    My question that I asked, that they never responded to--if we sign Whiteside or Howard, we basically don't have any cap space to sign anyone else other than our own guys. If we don't keep Crabbe, what do we do for a third guard behind Dame/CJ?
     
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    Key is to act quickly on a FA so we don't tie up money on our own guys
     
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    Acting quickly doesn't alleviate this issue. I said, "if we sign Whiteside or Howard", which presumes that's the first thing done. After that point, we are limited to our own RFA's, or renouncing them to use cap space to sign other FA's, which is where the Crabbe question now comes in.
     
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    I thought it absolutely mattered? Their cap holds are a lot less than their salaries would be if we have to match. Need to get UFA done first, so we can go over the cap to sign our own players.....right?
     
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    It seems to me that here are 2 issues:
    1) who can we sign?
    2) who can we sign, while staying under the luxury tax?

    1) is a matter of timing. We need to sign others first, then our guys.
    2) is a matter of not being able to keep all of the toys we want to play with.
     
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    As long as it's not above 17 million... I still might consider it. People keep freaking out about these contracts, but in the new salary cap, that will probably be the going rate for a starting shooting guard. I would much rather match and then trade him in a few months when the waiting period is over.

    Or... as I have suggested before..... trade CJ for another star caliber player and start Crabbe.
     
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    Yes, but whether or not we can go over the cap to keep Crabbe is not the question here. The question is whether or not it is worth keeping Crabbe at a starting salary of $15-17M, especially considering the effect such a contract would have on our proximity to the luxury tax line. The radio guys were adamant that he was not worth that type of contract.

    However, what they were neglecting to consider was the fact that we really don't have the ability to bring anybody else in to play behind Dame/CJ if we don't bring Crabbe back, so we're basically stuck paying him whatever he can get.
     
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    If we sign Whiteside, I'm more than happy just to re-sign our own FAs and call it a summer.
     
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    Sounds about right. Harkless should get a nice deal as well and get matched. I'm starting to think Layman is Leonard insurance (at least offensively.) I think Leonard is gone if he gets an offer over 12m per.
     
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    sans Meyers....
     
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  17. Natebishop3

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    If we get Whiteside + Crabbe/Harkless/Leoanrd, I would be happy with the offseason, but I would love to see Neil make a trade as well.
     
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    I think anyone who offers Crabbe only 12 million is wasting their time. They know it will be matched. So yeah I can see someone offering 15 million. At least that number makes the Blazers think twice.
     
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    Probably puts us in luxury tax, which is why a trade is not just desired, but necessary.
     
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    Good effort, but you left off the wrong letter
     
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