If KCP/Otto Porter get max deals..

This question is a false dichotomy.
If Blazers did not have Crabbe or Turner, they would have been replaced with other players. Now I'm not saying the other players would be any better, but the right players could have produced enough to match the contribution of these two at much less cost.

 

I agree, college is a waste of time for business and economics. You learn a lot more building and running your own company in the real world. You can find the information they teach on the web. Glad you agree!

That's great business practice if you're trying to take top talent from another firm and bring them to your firm. Usually, that's the only way to recruit proven skilled work from another top firm. At least, that's how I do it. 'Hey, do you want to uproot your life and come work for me for the same wage you're currently working for?' is not a great recruitment pitch. 'Hey will you relocate for a 15% raise and relocation expenses?' is a much better sales pitch; and a VERY good business practice, in fact, that's how I've hired most of my employees and built my brand. Some were offered to the same package by their employer to stay (restricted free agency if you will) and chose to stay, some chose not to give them the same package, and some were unrestricted if you will and just wanted a new start. Technically I set the market by being a market of one. You know how I got that business model? Microsoft, Apple, Google, Nike

And it works because if I didn't think that person was worth it, I wouldn't have offered them a job at that rate. It was 'overpaying' relative to their current wage and position, but it was underpaying for what future value they would bring me and how I perceived their value to my company and its future. Players are the same.

Teams are working with the current cap and they are still going to give out ridiculous (perceived) values for players. They know how it impacts them today, tomorrow, 5 years from now. The cap will continue to rise and they will continue to pay more and inflate salaries. If everyone were a free agent you are correct, they would not make 15+ mill per season because the rule of scarcity wouldn't be in effect (oh there I go on economics again, my bad). You would have 30 players perceived to be stars making the most, then the next wave, until you create a massive gulf between upper echelon players making a majority of the cap and mid level to role players and bench players making almost nothing. Free agency dictates that those mid level and below guys still get paid, because, well there isn't 30 stars in free agency every year and teams have to spend money somehow. Might as well try and accumulate assets (or not let them go for nothing).

 

Incorrect. Rondo's contract is partially guaranteed for $3M. It becomes fully guaranteed tonight, if not cut before hand. His contract does NOT have an option on it.

 

Fine, completely ignore the shit season Turner just had and cherry pick the best season of his entire seven year NBA career - his last year in BOS. The advanced stats are much closer, but the edge still goes to Roberson. Roberson is better, younger and at $15 million a year would be cheaper, and you called that insane. What does that make Turner's contract?

I actually like Evan Turner, and hope he can somehow carve out a role on this team. But, that's the problem, guys making $17+ million a year should not need to carve out a role for themselves. They should have a clearly defined role and be reasonably good at it.

BNM

 

So which part was sarcasm then?

 

I still think Leonard is worth more than a salary dump. I find it hard to believe that Miles Plumlee has more value than Meyers Leonard.

 

The whole thing - like I said, half-sarcasm, half-truth. Most people here understand what market value is. As far as Evan Turner, that was a market of one at the price we paid. Just because we established his "market value" does not make it a good decision. I wouldn't pay $500k for a house nobody else would even pay $360k for.

I thought it was pretty obvious I was poking fun at the concept that Crabbe and ET aren't overpaid and that teams are willing to overpay. We had to overpay to get a free agent to come here.

 

Once again, not doing that, because that doesn't reflect his new teammates, system, or chemistry with them. I'm curious how he does with PDX moving forward, nothing else.

I'm not sure if you are in this camp - but I know a lot of people wanted to avoid DeAndre because he can't shoot FTs. Same with Dwight. 'Can't play him in the 4th Q' they said...

It's insane because he can't play in playoff games. He CANNOT be on the floor despite his amazing defense. And he really can't be in 4th quarters. He is ZBo without the ball. He is a blackhole on offense without having the ball.

Don't take it from me though,

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/04/28...g-free-agency-after-impactful-playoff-series/

I'd rather be paying the guy who can play in any given situation and not be sitting on the bench because he can't make 4/10 free throws. Andre Roberson is a situation player. Evan Turner is not.

 

Ask yourself who would you rather have at 20m Crabbe or Reddick? Everyone with any BBIQ picks Reddick and thats all you have to know really about Crabbe's contract. He's getting paid like a high quality starter and he plays like a low quality bench role player.

Here's a hot take for you I would rather have Meyers Lenoard's contract on the books rather than Crabbes everything else being equal. For the simple reason that Meyers actually could (not that he will) play to the level he's getting paid at Crabbe cannot.

 

Guess my BBIQ is low then. 25 year old Crabbe > 33 year old Redick. Unless we're only talking about a one year contract, which were obviously not.

 

Give Crabbe Redicks shots and he'll produce about the same. Redick puts up 6 threes a game, Crabbe less than 4. Redick 11.8 FGA, Crabbe 8.2.

But again, my BBIQ is low.

 

If the other hypothetical players aren't any better then what does it matter?

Our ability to improve the roster is more restricted, but I think the only realistic way we improve the team is through trades anyway.

 

Cause that market for Crabbe is so hot right now

 

Crabbe isn't a free agent.

Remember the last time he was a free agent?

 

If Crabbe was an UFA I'd put good money on him getting the same contract he got last year.

And how do we know what Crabbes market is or isn't? Just because you don't value him doesn't mean GMs feel the same way. Lately Olshey has mentioned Crabbe with Dame, CJ, and Nurk among the core. Didn't mention Harkless, Turner, or anybody else.