If Klay Thompson is best SG in NBA (as many are saying), shouldn't Wes...

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    During the starters last week Tas Melas called Thompson the most over rated player in the NBA. Said he was a one dimensional scorer who can't do much other than shoot the ball well.

    I agree with Tas Melas.
     
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    Flawed assumption ("If Klay Thompson is the best SG ") leads to flawed conclusion ("Wes is #2).

    Wes getting 16 ppg on a team with two 20+ ppg scorers is as attributable to the attention paid to the stars as it is to his own abilities. Honestly, I think Klay would be as effective if not moreso in Wes' role, and I don't think Wes would be as effective as Klay has been as a #2 option.

    That said, I seriously doubt Klay can provide intangibles anywhere near what warrior Wes brings our team. Klay is probably a better player, all things being equal, but I wouldn't trade Wes for him.
     
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    Wes should be #1. Anything less is a slap in the Blazers and all their fans faces

    #norespect
     
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    Remember the first year Matthews came to Portland? I seem to remember him being a fine #2 option.
     
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    Well said MM! Repped!
     
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    Sure, but not as well as Thompson has. He took about 4 shots per game fewer that year than Klay did this past year. And Miller was as much a second option on that squad as Wes was.
     
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    Well Lee is more of a second option than Klay. See how this works?
     
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    Lee is a garbage man. Their offense doesn't really run plays for him.

    You know that claiming Lee is an equivalent option to Klay is hogwash. Why are you attempting to corrupt a legitimate discussion with nonsense?
     
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    A 18 point scorer cannot get shit like that being a garbage man. Sorry...

    The games I've watched, they run a lot plays for Lee. Yeah he's not a post up type scorer, but he is used a lot.

    How many shots does klay have compared to Lee?
     
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    Last year Thompson took 278 more shots than Lee, about 25% more. They're not at all comparable to Miller/Matthews 2011.

    It's not debatable.
     
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    25% less shots makes it not debatable?


    And the difference between miller and Matthews?

    Oh and are you forgetting Iggy too?
     
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    Why don't you do the legwork, seeing as it's your premise (Matthews was as much a second option in 2011 as Klay was in 2014) you're trying to defend?

    Matthews took 979 shots that year to LA's 1419, Miller's 844 and Nic's 807. LA took 21.4% of the team's shots, while Matthews took 15%, Miller 12.8%, and Nic 12.2%. The gulf between 1 & 2 is MUCH wider than the gulf between 2 & 3, or even 4.

    By contrast, Thompson took 1259 shots last year, compared with Curry's 1383, Lee's 981, and Barnes' 679 (Iggy was 5th). That's 19.7% of the team's shots for Curry, 18% for Klay, 14% for Lee, and 9.7% for their fourth option.

    It's clear that Klay was a much more significant part of his team's offense last year than Matthews was in 2011, and also clear that the disparity between him and the team's #3 & #4 options was much greater than for Matthews. Of course, the numbers simply back up what ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAMES ALREADY KNEW.

    I've spent way too much time supporting a patently obvious statement. Thanks for that.
     
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    I don't watch a lot of Warrior games but.. Doesn't David Lee get the ball passed to him off of a P&pop or at the elbow? Rest of the time he was expected to go rebound and let Curry/Thompson shoot?
     
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    Still didn't answer about iggy...

    As for doing the footwork. I don't have the means when I'm on my phone. [emoji109][emoji769]
     
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    I did answer about Iggy (he's fifth on their team, under 500 shots), and I did all that on my phone too, lightweight. Of course mine is an android, so I can see how that would make a significant difference. :devilwink:
     
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    lee was out a bunch of games

    shots per game it was much closer

    lee 14.2
    klay 15.5

    lee had a higher TS% fwiw
     
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    and comparing LA and curry is imperfect, if only for the fact that curry is a pg, and him being the #1 option will often lead to an assist
     
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