If Klay Thompson is best SG in NBA (as many are saying), shouldn't Wes...

And didn't Iggy have many missed games with injury too?

 

iggy missed 20 games or so but he doesnt shoot at all anymore, 7 a game

 

interesting factoid, in 12 fewer games, Lee had more winshares than klay, 7.6 to 6.7

 

So my argument that Klay could be the third option is more valid than plat proclaims?

 

well, klay is 2a to Lees 2b i would say. he took around .4 more shots per36

but i didnt watch a lot of dubs games last year, for all i know they kind of took turns being that 2nd leading scorer type

 

i really dont have any skin in the game other than i think klay is massively overrated.

 

I agree

 

Who are these many? Klay's agent and him mom? Because I haven't heard ANY saying this, let alone MANY.

As other's have pointed out, the guy is MASSIVELY overrated right now. Good, I hope GSW gives the guy a max contract. I know the cap will go up significantly when the new TV deal kicks in, but I always like to see conference rivals overpay for their players.

Klay Thompson is a poor man's J.J. Redick (production wise) who is about to get a max, or near max deal. If he played for the Clippers, he'd be their third best SG.

Yes, as much as I hate his flopping and whining, James Harden is better than Klay Thompson, way better. So is Manu Ginobili, Joe Johnson, Monta Ellis and DeMar DeRozan. As mentioned, Jamal Crawford and J.J. Redick are both better than Thompson. Guys like Kevin Martin and Lance Stephenson are also on the same level as, or arguably better than, Thompson.

I mean, seriously, the guy posted a PER = 14.3. According to John Hollinger that's a below average player. I know PER has it's limitations, and heavily favors offensive production, but the BEST SG in the league will NEVER have a PER = 14.3.

Better still, look at advanced stats like WS/48 (0.112 - at basketball-reference.com) and Net Production (+2.2 - at 82games.com) and you'll see that Thompson's advanced stats are pretty middle of the pack compared to other starting SGs in the league. His WS/48 of .112 was, by a significant amount, the lowest of the Warriors starters.

And, I haven't even mentioned Kobe and DWade, who are both still way better (if healthy) than Klay-Klay. I know people are ready to right off DWade, but he still posted a PER = 22.0 and Net Production = +9.1 last season. Those are numbers Klay Thompson will never approach over his entire career, and this is DWade on the downside of his career. Klay has been in the league 3 years and has yet to break PER = 15 or WS/48 = .120. He's 24 and still has room to improve, but by Wade's 3rd year he was posting PER = 27.6 and WS/48 = .239. Thompson will never approach those number, EVER. He's just not that good, not even close.

Is Wesley Matthews the second best SG in the league? No, because Klay Thompson isn't the best, not even close. Start with a false premise, and you reach an erroneous conclusion.

BNM

 

What? No, sorry.

Thompson > Redick > Crawford

 

Yet, both manage to outproduce him by a significant amount:

Klay Thompson:
PTS/100 Possessions = 25.9
PER = 14.3
WS/48 = .112
Own Production = 15.0
Opp Production = 12.8
Net Production = +2.2

Jamal Crawford:
PTS/100 Possessions = 30.6
PER = 17.3
WS/48 = .122
Own Production = 18.3
Opp Production = 12.6
Net Production = +5.7

J.J. Redick:
PTS/100 Possessions = 27.0
PER = 16.6
WS/48 = .147
Own Production = 17.8
Opp Production = 11.6
Net Production = +6.2

Note: all three play the same position in the same division of the same conference, which means they play against and guard the same opponents. Yet, Thompson's Net Production is significantly lower than both Crawford and Redick. Yes, Thompson is younger, but in exactly what way is he better than the two players that consistently out produce him?

BNM

 

Nice info, would you mind throwing Wes' numbers in there for comparison (and maybe even Harden )

 

defensively? i cant say for sure, but redick and crawful dont have great defensive reps do they?

 

Neither does Klay

 

Redick is surprisingly decent defensively (well, he doesn't totally suck, which may surprise many people who think of him as only a spot up shooter).

That's why I threw the OPP Production in there. As noted the SG position is historically weak. All three are comparable in OPP Production with the edge going to Redick.

BNM

 

OK, here you go:

Wesley Matthews:
PTS/100 Possessions = 24.4
PER = 15.7
WS/48 = .142
Own Production = 16.6
Opp Production = 13.5
Net Production = +3.1

James Harden:
PTS/100 Possessions = 33.2
PER = 23.5
WS/48 = .221
Own Production = 25.3
Opp Production = 12.5
Net Production = +12.9

Klay Thompson:
PTS/100 Possessions = 25.9
PER = 14.3
WS/48 = .112
Own Production = 15.0
Opp Production = 12.8
Net Production = +2.2

Jamal Crawford:
PTS/100 Possessions = 30.6
PER = 17.3
WS/48 = .122
Own Production = 18.3
Opp Production = 12.6
Net Production = +5.7

J.J. Redick:
PTS/100 Possessions = 27.0
PER = 16.6
WS/48 = .147
Own Production = 17.8
Opp Production = 11.6
Net Production = +6.2

BNM

 

Interesting. Thanks and super repped for taking the time

 

Super repped? How come I can't super rep? I wanna super rep...

 

I think he repped super..whoever super is

 

I used to go by SuperDave on OLive, does that count? Hell, I used to have SUPERD license plates...