How is it garbage for taking into account defense? I get that defensive stats aren't applied into a PER, but isn't the point of defense making the other player less effective? Making his team less effective?
How does opponent's PER not measure defense? Holding the player you defend to lower production is not "defense?"
Why are you comparing stats from 2007-08? In 2008-09, Aldridge, as a center had a PER of 20.2, but he gives up a PER of 22.8, a net of -2.6 Joel, as a center had a PER of 17.5 and also gave up a PER of 17.5 for a net of 0. Also, since Aldridge never started at center, the few minutes he did play there were probably against other teams' back-up centers. Of course, given the small sample size, I question the significance of Aldridge's stats at center. Just like I question the significance of Joel's stats at PF where he had a PER of 31.8 and held his opponents to a PER of 0 for a net of +31.8. Hey, here's an idea, since Joel is obviously a better PF than LaMarcus, if we get Millsap as our back-up 4, we can trade LaMarcus for a PG, start Oden at center and Joel at PF. Why not, the stats show he's a much better PF than Aldridge? BNM
Well Joel is garbage at offense yawn... LMA > Joel as a back up center, not starter but as a back up. Because LMA can contribute on both ends even if not as brilliantly as Joel can on ONE end. It's much like Travis can score over everyone but cannot guard even average players. LMA + Millsap is a pretty decent frontline especially against reserves where it becomes stellar. No way if we sign Millsap do we retain LMA and Joel and likewise no way we trade LMA. Ain't gonna happen.
Must have been a misclick for 07/08. My mistake and so out goes the PER argument. You think it's wise to keep Joel, LMA, Oden and Millsap assuming we sign Millsap? LMA at center for 07/08 is actually a better representation then his spot minutes at the 5 in 08/09. If you compare 07/08 LMA at Center and 08/09 Joel at Center you probably have your best comparison as LMA actually started at Center quite a bit in 07/08. Looks to me like LMA is > then Joel
It cannot account for the requirements of team defense, especially with a big having to cover for porous perimeter defenders like we've got.
Yes, it's not a measure of team defense. It's a decent measure of individual defense, though. Aldridge, however, strikes me (from an observational point of view) as a good team defender. I don't think that would change if he was a center rather than a power forward. The main change would be which player on the opposing team he had to match up with, which goes to individual defense.
Millsap relies on putbacks? Check 82games.com - he scores only 4% of his points on tips, Joel is at 20%, Joel took 7% jump-shots, Millsap took 37%, overall - 93% of Joel's scoring came from inside, Millsap - only 63% - these guys are very different. Don't take my words for it - http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR14.HTM = Joel http://www.82games.com/0809/08UTA10.HTM = Millsap
Which is exactly why as a trading piece, he could fetch us players we wouldn't otherwise be able to attain. It could (would?) be the case if he were playing alongside LMA though. Couldn't it be said that trading Joel may possibly alleviate our crappy perimeter defense by bringing in another player otherwise unavailable (Wallace, Battier, etc.)? I think with the trade of Sergio, as well as potentially less minutes for Blake (if a PG were brought in by trade or Bayless improves from last year) our perimeter and especially our Pick and Roll defense will improve. At least I hope...if I have to see Oden or another big guarding the opposing teams PG as frequently as we did last year, I'll lose my mind.
Since when are putbacks and tips the same thing? Not with a GM that appears unwilling to part with value to get value. We'll probably just let him rot on the bench, being ineffective in limited minutes, driving down his value... It would be great if you are right, but I have lost confidence in Pritchard pulling off that sort of thing. That would be a very small front line.
dude has averaged 1.6 TO's per 36 minutes for his career. In case you are completely lacking context, thats a pretty low amount and you won't be able to convince me otherwise. Sorry. we all have opinions again... you're welcome to an opinion, but I'm siding with the data STOMP
